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I've been brewing on this topic since Mythos preview was announced. As Mythos got finally released, then banned, then released again under U.S. government contr

I've been brewing on this topic since Mythos preview was announced. As Mythos got finally released, then banned, then released again under U.S. government control, it was time to finally flesh it out and use it as a way to exit the lurker-zone on HN !

dude250711 3mo ago
"Released" is doing some heavy lifting here.
- Versipelle 3mo ago
  Fair, let's say a heavily staggered come back. I was actually pleased to see OpenAI openly (although timidly) complaining about the situation in their latest announcement, framing it as an unsustainable system. One can only guess the outrage in the news if the Chinese government had been the first to pull this kind of stunt.
  - petcat 3mo ago
    > outrage in the news if the Chinese government had been the first to pull this kind of stunt. I suspect that the Chinese government "pulls this kind of stunt" often but just nobody ever hears about it because their society is not free to complain about such a thing publicly.
    - Henchman21 3mo ago
      Ah so you can see the future of discourse in the US
      - signatoremo 3mo ago
        Democracy cannot be taken for granted. There are always tendencies to drift toward authoritarian. China is authoritarian, full stop. They are capitalism, not communism, but authoritarian. Keep that in mind when discussing what come out of China.
        Henchman21 3mo ago
        We actively take it for granted in the US AND we’re actively watching it slip away. No one seems to give a shit.
        deleted 3mo ago
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        nozzlegear 3mo ago
        A populist wave electing a shitbird in response to a global economic downturn does not mean democracy is being taken for granted or that no one gives a shit. It's only been a year and a half, we haven't even had the chance to rebuke him in the midterms yet.
        cyberax 3mo ago
        There's an alternative viewpoint: democracy is experiencing a revival. The old "cathedral-style" democracy is dying. People are seeing that the "regular" politicians are just ineffective and kinda boring. The old party-based structures are stifling and prevent changes. People want more direct participation in the governance. So people are voting for a "new wave" of candidates that promise to work around the old institutions. Right-wingers were the first to harness this, initially with the Tea Party takeover and then Trump came in and crushed the entire Republican Party into his personal fiefdom. Mamdani is doing the same with the Democratic Party now. After the recent primary victories, he's well-poised to become the left-wing Trump. If you want historical analogies, the situation is similar to the start of the 20-th century when the wide masses first became politically active. Literacy spread, then radio broadcasts and daily nation-wide newspapers gave people the impression that they're a part of the same entity. It ended well, with democracy winning over authoritarianism. But the middle part contained a couple of world wars and mass genocides.
        watwut 3mo ago
        Right wingers dont repreaemt democracy. They are openly and actively trying to change it to authoritariam dictatorship. Mamdani is NOT doing the same nor like Trump. For all the scaremongering, he is pragmatic politic with policies full of compromises. There ia no symmetry between what those parties do.
    - jchw 3mo ago
      It seems our government still has a lot to learn.
      - AlexCoventry 3mo ago
        At this point, it has a lot to re-learn, as the Trump administration has been systematically lobotomizing it for 18 months.
    - derektank 3mo ago
      You also have government apparatchiks influencing almost every corporate board, not just the state owned enterprises. Every private company that employs at least 3 CCP members is required by law to form a party committee within the company to represent party interests. In smaller companies, they will often simply coordinate with local governments on securing permits, etc, but I’m sure national party leadership communicates directly with the committees at the AI labs.
      - alephnerd 3mo ago
        > I’m sure national party leadership communicates directly with the committees at the AI labs They do now. Top AI researchers in China are barred from getting an exit visa [0] (the PRC has done this for other employees as well such as Foxconn China employees who were working on shifting Apple supply chains to India [1]), and "AI Safety" from a national security perspective has been codified as party policy now [2]. The leading Chinese AI labs are also shifing away from open-source AI for commercial reasons, as can be seen with the org changes at Alibaba with the axing of the Qwen team [3][4]. That said, these are called out but it's all in Putonghua and no one on HN actively reads or follows what happens within China. I've noticed most HNers now source information from Reddit which has been dealing with DRAGONBRIDGE deluge for a couple years now, and I've noticed similar tactics being applied on HN as well. In all honesty, I've found HN's noise to signal ratio to have tanked severely since 2022. Silver lining is that less people that matter are using it as much, so the IW impact is limited. [0] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-05-26/china-expands-travel-curbs-to-top-ai-talent-at-private-firms https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-05-26/china-exp... [1] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-17/china-moves-to-stall-apple-byd-production-shifts-across-asia https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-17/china-mov... [2] - http://theory.people.com.cn/n1/2026/0616/c40531-40741238.html http://theory.people.com.cn/n1/2026/0616/c40531-40741238.htm... [3] - https://m.guancha.cn/economy/2026_06_12_820253.shtml https://m.guancha.cn/economy/2026_06_12_820253.shtml [4] - https://www.ft.com/content/b39da303-3188-447b-8b65-3dd8dad8b59a?syn-25a6b1a6=1 https://www.ft.com/content/b39da303-3188-447b-8b65-3dd8dad8b...
        rnewme 3mo ago
    - throawayonthe 3mo ago
      > their society is not free to complain about such a thing publicly wuh?
      - petcat 3mo ago
        wuh? what? The Chinese government tightly controls every aspect of their technology industry and all public discourse around it.
- cadamsdotcom 3mo ago
  I hope you’re not this nice in real life!
nullsanity 3mo ago
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pmarreck 3mo ago
FYI: > Since then, Mythos and it’s safeguard-heavy equivalent The simple "it's" vs. "its" rule is this: If you can replace it with "it is" and it sounds weird, it's "its", otherwise it's "it's". In other words, "it's" is 100% of the time an abbreviation of "it is" (or, rarely, "it has"); it's not a possessive form. Which is of course internally-inconsistent; I say "Peter's toys", not "Peters toys", but we say "its toys" to mean the same thing. /shrug I only tell you this because I screwed it up for years before looking up the rule and going "... Oh. Duh. But also... Fucking hell, English!" ;)

dude250711 3mo ago

"Released" is doing some heavy lifting here.

Versipelle 3mo ago
Fair, let's say a heavily staggered come back. I was actually pleased to see OpenAI openly (although timidly) complaining about the situation in their latest announcement, framing it as an unsustainable system. One can only guess the outrage in the news if the Chinese government had been the first to pull this kind of stunt.
- petcat 3mo ago
  > outrage in the news if the Chinese government had been the first to pull this kind of stunt. I suspect that the Chinese government "pulls this kind of stunt" often but just nobody ever hears about it because their society is not free to complain about such a thing publicly.
  - Henchman21 3mo ago
    Ah so you can see the future of discourse in the US
    - signatoremo 3mo ago
      Democracy cannot be taken for granted. There are always tendencies to drift toward authoritarian. China is authoritarian, full stop. They are capitalism, not communism, but authoritarian. Keep that in mind when discussing what come out of China.
      - Henchman21 3mo ago
        We actively take it for granted in the US AND we’re actively watching it slip away. No one seems to give a shit.
        deleted 3mo ago
        [deleted]
        nozzlegear 3mo ago
        A populist wave electing a shitbird in response to a global economic downturn does not mean democracy is being taken for granted or that no one gives a shit. It's only been a year and a half, we haven't even had the chance to rebuke him in the midterms yet.
        cyberax 3mo ago
        There's an alternative viewpoint: democracy is experiencing a revival. The old "cathedral-style" democracy is dying. People are seeing that the "regular" politicians are just ineffective and kinda boring. The old party-based structures are stifling and prevent changes. People want more direct participation in the governance. So people are voting for a "new wave" of candidates that promise to work around the old institutions. Right-wingers were the first to harness this, initially with the Tea Party takeover and then Trump came in and crushed the entire Republican Party into his personal fiefdom. Mamdani is doing the same with the Democratic Party now. After the recent primary victories, he's well-poised to become the left-wing Trump. If you want historical analogies, the situation is similar to the start of the 20-th century when the wide masses first became politically active. Literacy spread, then radio broadcasts and daily nation-wide newspapers gave people the impression that they're a part of the same entity. It ended well, with democracy winning over authoritarianism. But the middle part contained a couple of world wars and mass genocides.
        watwut 3mo ago
        Right wingers dont repreaemt democracy. They are openly and actively trying to change it to authoritariam dictatorship. Mamdani is NOT doing the same nor like Trump. For all the scaremongering, he is pragmatic politic with policies full of compromises. There ia no symmetry between what those parties do.
  - jchw 3mo ago
    It seems our government still has a lot to learn.
    - AlexCoventry 3mo ago
      At this point, it has a lot to re-learn, as the Trump administration has been systematically lobotomizing it for 18 months.
  - derektank 3mo ago
    You also have government apparatchiks influencing almost every corporate board, not just the state owned enterprises. Every private company that employs at least 3 CCP members is required by law to form a party committee within the company to represent party interests. In smaller companies, they will often simply coordinate with local governments on securing permits, etc, but I’m sure national party leadership communicates directly with the committees at the AI labs.
    - alephnerd 3mo ago
      > I’m sure national party leadership communicates directly with the committees at the AI labs They do now. Top AI researchers in China are barred from getting an exit visa [0] (the PRC has done this for other employees as well such as Foxconn China employees who were working on shifting Apple supply chains to India [1]), and "AI Safety" from a national security perspective has been codified as party policy now [2]. The leading Chinese AI labs are also shifing away from open-source AI for commercial reasons, as can be seen with the org changes at Alibaba with the axing of the Qwen team [3][4]. That said, these are called out but it's all in Putonghua and no one on HN actively reads or follows what happens within China. I've noticed most HNers now source information from Reddit which has been dealing with DRAGONBRIDGE deluge for a couple years now, and I've noticed similar tactics being applied on HN as well. In all honesty, I've found HN's noise to signal ratio to have tanked severely since 2022. Silver lining is that less people that matter are using it as much, so the IW impact is limited. [0] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-05-26/china-expands-travel-curbs-to-top-ai-talent-at-private-firms https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-05-26/china-exp... [1] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-17/china-moves-to-stall-apple-byd-production-shifts-across-asia https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-17/china-mov... [2] - http://theory.people.com.cn/n1/2026/0616/c40531-40741238.html http://theory.people.com.cn/n1/2026/0616/c40531-40741238.htm... [3] - https://m.guancha.cn/economy/2026_06_12_820253.shtml https://m.guancha.cn/economy/2026_06_12_820253.shtml [4] - https://www.ft.com/content/b39da303-3188-447b-8b65-3dd8dad8b59a?syn-25a6b1a6=1 https://www.ft.com/content/b39da303-3188-447b-8b65-3dd8dad8b...
      - rnewme 3mo ago
  - throawayonthe 3mo ago
    > their society is not free to complain about such a thing publicly wuh?
    - petcat 3mo ago
      wuh? what? The Chinese government tightly controls every aspect of their technology industry and all public discourse around it.
cadamsdotcom 3mo ago
I hope you’re not this nice in real life!

nullsanity 3mo ago

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pmarreck 3mo ago

FYI: > Since then, Mythos and it’s safeguard-heavy equivalent The simple "it's" vs. "its" rule is this: If you can replace it with "it is" and it sounds weird, it's "its", otherwise it's "it's". In other words, "it's" is 100% of the time an abbreviation of "it is" (or, rarely, "it has"); it's not a possessive form. Which is of course internally-inconsistent; I say "Peter's toys", not "Peters toys", but we say "its toys" to mean the same thing. /shrug I only tell you this because I screwed it up for years before looking up the rule and going "... Oh. Duh. But also... Fucking hell, English!" ;)