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Europe to exclude military-age Ukrainian men from temporary protection scheme
- notaigenerated 3mo agoGender equality according to Europe.
- fivetomidnight 3mo agoI seriously can't tell anymore if that is trolling.
- notaigenerated 3mo agoRefusing shelter to people who flee the war based on their sex (gender?) and nationality is no trolling. It's both sexist and nazist - two things the EU elites are so desperately trying to root out from their societies.
- Sabinus 3mo agoDo you approve of the EU elites trying to root those out of society?
- notaigenerated 3mo agoI really don't care, cause I'm not there. I just like it when governments try to be consistent with their policies. Equal rights? That's great, but then why men all of a sudden have more duties? If they do, they should have more privileges then. That's consistent and honest.
- fivetomidnight 3mo agoIf you don't care, go away? It is (mostly) consistent. Some of the northern countries actually started conscripting women in the last decade, but otherwise it is voluntary for women... Also war is relatively rare these days and men don't have to get the babies. So, that's that, with the duties and privileges.
- notaigenerated 3mo agoWomen aren't forced to have the babies either. Is being forced to die for motherland vs have an option not to = "mostly" consistent? You're delusional.
- fivetomidnight 3mo ago> Women aren't forced to have the babies either. That would be a problem. But given the right circumstances, it happens anyway. (the babies, not the forcing) > You're delusional. That or reading too much history. You are right. It used to be like that, though. It's also stupid to argue these topics when you have no good clue about what it actually means to be at war. Shouldn't do that again.
- fivetomidnight 3mo agoI have no idea how dire the situation in Ukraine is currently, but can we first acknowledge human nature and the necessities of defending your country against an aggressor before invoking some words that have lost most of their meaning by now? As a father, brother, son and coward who didn't serve, I'd rather be with my loved ones than in the trenches. But having them, or any women, drafted in my place is also out of the question. Also, are you disregarding the reality that we life in nations (that can have the misfortune of having evil demon lords as neighbors) and that man and woman are not totally interchangeable? What is your suggestion then? Speaking as a leader of a country at war or an ally of that country.
- notaigenerated 3mo agoMy suggestion is not to exclude men from the temporary protection scheme. They're as much of humans as women are and they too want to live their lives peacefully rather than fight for God knows what and being forced to die in the meat grinder like cattle. At least give that to people who managed to escape the Ukrainian concentration camp. Or, if you decide that men have duties that women don't, let's get back to the patriarchy and give the men the privileges they fight for (or have to fight for in case of a war).
- fivetomidnight 3mo agoOk. You loose the war, your country gets occupied and your population suffers. And you are probably a special guest of the maniac next door. Good job. Or that happened to your ally. Also good job. Most people decided millennia ago that man and woman have different duties in war times. Both important. Am I wrong? Why is it, that you have to bring up all these unrelated topics like patriarchy, privileges and nazism? Sounds familiar. Do you have a checklist? Can I see it? Also: >> ...fight for God knows what... People tend to have an attachment to the place where they live or have been born or with the people they live with. I do, at least somewhat. What about you? EDIT: In my country (one of the offending), `women cannot under any circumstance be required (conscripted) to "serve with a weapon"` That is a privilege, no? So, totally in line with policy and even in our "constitution". As i said, women have different responsibilities in wartime. not less. different. You cannot achieve perfect equality if two things aren't perfectly equal. We try, we really do. But there will always be something left. And that is fine. Or do you suggest to conscript women and send them to the front instead? just to satisfy equality?
- andai 3mo ago>citing integration challenges I could speak, but...
- fivetomidnight 3mo agoNo, please, go on...
- andai 3mo agoSpecies System Test: Predict the next ten tokens ;)
- fivetomidnight 3mo agoHaha, you got me, the recipe for glue Pizza is... But for real, that was kinda rude. How did you get that impression?
- andai 3mo agoI am sorry my joke appears to have failed. I was not implying you were an llm. I was implying that my opinion was obvious. If it isn't, that would be very helpful feedback though.
- fivetomidnight 3mo agoYeah, i was not sure. Considering where we are, I can take a guess what you meant, but also think of a least three ways that someone can take issue with that line, but that boil mostly down to, that it was only pretense and not the reason at all. So, no, it's not really obvious.
- g-b-r 3mo agoI always supported Ukraine, but what are we saving here Putin doesn't need to invade further, we're turning into his country by our own will
- lwroo 3mo agoDidn't HN just have a thread where people tried to compare remigration with ethnic cleansing? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48687508 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48687508