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It's interesting to read that an entire video streaming rework was done with AI, but likely won't be upstreamed because of the upstream policy on AI gen code. I

It's interesting to read that an entire video streaming rework was done with AI, but likely won't be upstreamed because of the upstream policy on AI gen code. I wonder if that will ever be re-done using the plan GE outlined in the release notes.

yincrash 3mo ago
Also really excited about this because there are several games that get kind of borked because they get stuck on an intro video before you get to the game menu without doing any winetricks. > With all of that work done, I am happy to say all of the games listed above now have functional video playback with NO winetricks needed and NO dll overrides needed. No quartz,no dshow, no amstream, no lavfilters, no klite, no rsx3d, no wmp9, no wmp11, etc. -- All the functionality previously needed from those overrides is now patched directly into wine for the listed games that needed them, and the protonfixes that were previously added have now been removed since they are no longer needed.
- ThatMedicIsASpy 3mo ago
  Yeah the big left 4 dead clone (forgot the name) had video playback issues for me.
  - ddtaylor 3mo ago
    Back 4 Blood?
hackingonempty 3mo ago
It might come to be that maintainers have to begin accepting llm-authored or llm-assisted contributions just to maintain control of the project. Otherwise users will gravitate towards forks that offer the functionality they want.
- worble 3mo ago
  They very specifically do not accept AI contributions because there is no way to tell if it's just regurgitating parts of the various Windows source code leaks from over the years ad-hoc, which would be a very costly mistake to make if Microsoft were feeling litigious.
  - Chaosvex 3mo ago
    On the other hand, it'd be absolutely fascinating to see how that'd play out. The ramifications could be huge.
  - hackingonempty 3mo ago
    More reason to ditch C, C++, and C#!
    - cwillu 3mo ago
      The language wine is written in is irrelevant, the source is still tainted.
  - cwillu 3mo ago
    For reference: https://gitlab.winehq.org/wine/wine/-/wikis/Clean-Room-Guidelines https://gitlab.winehq.org/wine/wine/-/wikis/Clean-Room-Guide...
  - cedws 3mo ago
    Tech companies shouldn’t be able have it both ways and say that copyright doesn’t apply to LLM-generated code only when it benefits them.
    - bigstrat2003 3mo ago
      And yet, they likely will be able to. The law doesn't have much hold on the rich.
    - Ferret7446 3mo ago
      They likely won't, once precedent setting judgements start coming out
- mostlysimilar 3mo ago
  Or it might come to be that rejecting LLM-authored or LLM-assisted contributions becomes a badge of quality, and users gravitate to them to avoid buggy, inconsistent, or non-performant versions of the same software.
  - PalmPilotProMax 3mo ago
    The allure of being just good enough where the bling and hype of features outshine hidden bugs may win out socially.
  - cwillu 3mo ago
    There's no need to guess, the reasoning is clearly laid out: “Don't use an LLM tool to generate code. There's no guarantee that the training material of that LLM respects our Clean Room Guidelines, or that its output is compatible with the LGPL.” --https://gitlab.winehq.org/wine/wine/-/wikis/Clean-Room-Guidelines https://gitlab.winehq.org/wine/wine/-/wikis/Clean-Room-Guide...
- Krssst 3mo ago
  Doesn't wine have various rules to remain a white-room implementation? Not sure using LLMs which have possibly been trained on leaked Windows sources would be compatible with that. But that's just speculation, I wonder if LLMs possibly using leaked sources for training has been looked into. (probably legally difficult as the investigator would have to access the leaked sources too...)
- m4rtink 3mo ago
  Not sure if those fork would be maintainable long term if their authors need to lean so heavily on LLMs just to get their coding done. Would bet more on the original project that have demonstrated they know what they are doing & can do the work by themselves (if at more realistic pace).
charcircuit 3mo ago
I've implemented several missing features and fixed several compatibility issues in wine using LLMs. It works very well for the use case.

yincrash 3mo ago

Also really excited about this because there are several games that get kind of borked because they get stuck on an intro video before you get to the game menu without doing any winetricks. > With all of that work done, I am happy to say all of the games listed above now have functional video playback with NO winetricks needed and NO dll overrides needed. No quartz,no dshow, no amstream, no lavfilters, no klite, no rsx3d, no wmp9, no wmp11, etc. -- All the functionality previously needed from those overrides is now patched directly into wine for the listed games that needed them, and the protonfixes that were previously added have now been removed since they are no longer needed.

ThatMedicIsASpy 3mo ago
Yeah the big left 4 dead clone (forgot the name) had video playback issues for me.
- ddtaylor 3mo ago
  Back 4 Blood?

hackingonempty 3mo ago

It might come to be that maintainers have to begin accepting llm-authored or llm-assisted contributions just to maintain control of the project. Otherwise users will gravitate towards forks that offer the functionality they want.

worble 3mo ago
They very specifically do not accept AI contributions because there is no way to tell if it's just regurgitating parts of the various Windows source code leaks from over the years ad-hoc, which would be a very costly mistake to make if Microsoft were feeling litigious.
- Chaosvex 3mo ago
  On the other hand, it'd be absolutely fascinating to see how that'd play out. The ramifications could be huge.
- hackingonempty 3mo ago
  More reason to ditch C, C++, and C#!
  - cwillu 3mo ago
    The language wine is written in is irrelevant, the source is still tainted.
- cwillu 3mo ago
  For reference: https://gitlab.winehq.org/wine/wine/-/wikis/Clean-Room-Guidelines https://gitlab.winehq.org/wine/wine/-/wikis/Clean-Room-Guide...
- cedws 3mo ago
  Tech companies shouldn’t be able have it both ways and say that copyright doesn’t apply to LLM-generated code only when it benefits them.
  - bigstrat2003 3mo ago
    And yet, they likely will be able to. The law doesn't have much hold on the rich.
  - Ferret7446 3mo ago
    They likely won't, once precedent setting judgements start coming out
mostlysimilar 3mo ago
Or it might come to be that rejecting LLM-authored or LLM-assisted contributions becomes a badge of quality, and users gravitate to them to avoid buggy, inconsistent, or non-performant versions of the same software.
- PalmPilotProMax 3mo ago
  The allure of being just good enough where the bling and hype of features outshine hidden bugs may win out socially.
- cwillu 3mo ago
  There's no need to guess, the reasoning is clearly laid out: “Don't use an LLM tool to generate code. There's no guarantee that the training material of that LLM respects our Clean Room Guidelines, or that its output is compatible with the LGPL.” --https://gitlab.winehq.org/wine/wine/-/wikis/Clean-Room-Guidelines https://gitlab.winehq.org/wine/wine/-/wikis/Clean-Room-Guide...
Krssst 3mo ago
Doesn't wine have various rules to remain a white-room implementation? Not sure using LLMs which have possibly been trained on leaked Windows sources would be compatible with that. But that's just speculation, I wonder if LLMs possibly using leaked sources for training has been looked into. (probably legally difficult as the investigator would have to access the leaked sources too...)
m4rtink 3mo ago
Not sure if those fork would be maintainable long term if their authors need to lean so heavily on LLMs just to get their coding done. Would bet more on the original project that have demonstrated they know what they are doing & can do the work by themselves (if at more realistic pace).

charcircuit 3mo ago

I've implemented several missing features and fixed several compatibility issues in wine using LLMs. It works very well for the use case.