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> Mistakenly we thought that by just introducing artificial intelligence and ingesting the design requirements that we had, that that would produce a high-quali

by gm678 3mo ago

> Mistakenly we thought that by just introducing artificial intelligence and ingesting the design requirements that we had, that that would produce a high-quality product. Clearly a lot of careful thought went into their strategy of using AI and firing engineers.

nosioptar 3mo ago
Had a couple of Taurusii back in the day. 100% ended up having a problem where the power steering pump shit the bed because a plastic piece in the pressurized side failed. Paid to repair one, oem pump broke on drive home due to same plastic piece under pressure. My point being, Ford's had shit for brains for decades. Its a fucking wonder any of their vehicles make it out of the parking lot.
- SoftTalker 3mo ago
  I had a Focus in the 2000's that was the most reliable car I ever owned. Rust got it eventually but it still started instantly at any temperature and ran like a new car.
  - nosioptar 3mo ago
    If I had a nickel for every broken focus door handle I've fixed... (There's a weak pin that always breaks.)
    - SoftTalker 3mo ago
      LOL yeah I had that too. Forgot about it. Cheap fix was an aftermarket door handle from Amazon or RockAuto or someplace like that. I'm not saying it was a perfect car. The interior was cheap, the sheet metal seemed to be recycled tin cans, and it definitely showed its age by the time I got rid of it. But that engine and drivetrain seemed to be bulletproof.
      - nosioptar 3mo ago
        Yeah, the engine and drivetrains are immortal, everything else is constantly dying though.
  - cactacea 3mo ago
    It was also designed by European engineers, not in Michigan. Not saying that's the reason the Focus is more reliable than a Taurus but they didn't follow the "typical" Ford design process at the time for that vehicle. For what it is worth I owned a 1992 Taurus and it left me stranded more times than I can count. Just some of the issues I had were a water pump that exploded and a seized A/C compressor.
    - cucumber3732842 3mo ago
      <eyes roll in literal loop> Pretty much everything Ford brings to the US that was designed in Europe is loathed by anyone who has to own it out of warranty. Turns out that when you have a building full of engineers in Germany or England their domestic engineering culture results in work output not all that different from the sort of stuff people chastise BMW and Land Rover for. That said, the Escort, and to a lesser extent the Focus, are generally considered very good vehicles.
      - cactacea 3mo ago
        > <eyes roll in literal loop> k
- pchristensen 3mo ago
  Ford invested heavily in reliability in the late 2000s - see e.g. https://www.latimes.com/business/la-xpm-2012-apr-15-la-fi-books-20120415-story.html#:~:text=In%20his%20new%20book%20“American,extent%2C%20the%20man%20behind%20it. https://www.latimes.com/business/la-xpm-2012-apr-15-la-fi-bo...
jayd16 3mo ago
Step 1: fire everyone. Step 2: figure out how to use AI. In that order, apparently.
- zamalek 3mo ago
  Alternatively: Step 1: 30 minute conversation with AI on how to use AI. Step 2: fire everyone.
- deleted 3mo ago
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- tanseydavid 3mo ago
  I don't understand why Ford did not just put the LLM on a PiP.
- joelfried 3mo ago
  Of course in that order! Step 3: Rehire key personnel at lower cost than whomever was fired in Step 1. Step 4: Take credit for cost reductions . . . and give yourself a raise!
thewebguyd 3mo ago
This idea is everywhere right now, that AI is some magic black box that will solve all your business problems. The sentiment is spreading through the exec team where I work now too. It's like a disease. C-suites completely disconnected from reality and assuming we've already achieved ASI/AGI, and marketing teams & business journals are only furthering that narrative. It's so weird. I don't know what it is about AI that causes people to throw all thought and caution to the wind and charge forward blind. Its like they've been chomping at the bit for decades to get rid of those pesky humans and are so hyped up over it they can't see clearly anymore.
- disgruntledphd2 3mo ago
  > It's so weird. I don't know what it is about AI that causes people to throw all thought and caution to the wind and charge forward blind. Its like they've been chomping at the bit for decades to get rid of those pesky humans and are so hyped up over it they can't see clearly anymore. It's just a hype cycle. In my 15 years in data, I've seen around 3-4. Every time leadership get way too invested in the possibilities, and they waste tons of money on doomed efforts. A good example of the prior one was "Big Data" which was even more pointless than the current AI boom. Don't get me wrong, there is valuable tech there (at the very least, being able to reliably generate structured data from unstructured input is incredibly valuable in data), but the current hype is way off the charts.
  - simianwords 3mo ago
    I think you are misleading people by calling it a "hype cycle". There is no going back from this technology. It is going to encroach every part of lives more and more. What does hype even mean concretely? I think this is just a coping mechanism if you ask me.
    - dgellow 3mo ago
      Hype cycle doesn’t imply the technology has no value. But we should be able to talk about it as the boring, nerdy technology it is without that whole doom trolling and “AI will literally solve everything”
saltcured 3mo ago
Well, the business plan came out of this mysterious box, after we fed in the payroll reduction requirement...
dgellow 3mo ago
Earlier this year I’ve been in calls with leaders from top US companies where their strategy was basically “we have to switch absolutely everything to agentic right now, otherwise we are dead”. That was the full thought. That made reading their subsequent layoff blog posts pretty depressing
LogicFailsMe 3mo ago
Top men.

by gm678 3mo ago

nosioptar 3mo ago

Had a couple of Taurusii back in the day. 100% ended up having a problem where the power steering pump shit the bed because a plastic piece in the pressurized side failed. Paid to repair one, oem pump broke on drive home due to same plastic piece under pressure. My point being, Ford's had shit for brains for decades. Its a fucking wonder any of their vehicles make it out of the parking lot.

SoftTalker 3mo ago
I had a Focus in the 2000's that was the most reliable car I ever owned. Rust got it eventually but it still started instantly at any temperature and ran like a new car.
- nosioptar 3mo ago
  If I had a nickel for every broken focus door handle I've fixed... (There's a weak pin that always breaks.)
  - SoftTalker 3mo ago
    LOL yeah I had that too. Forgot about it. Cheap fix was an aftermarket door handle from Amazon or RockAuto or someplace like that. I'm not saying it was a perfect car. The interior was cheap, the sheet metal seemed to be recycled tin cans, and it definitely showed its age by the time I got rid of it. But that engine and drivetrain seemed to be bulletproof.
    - nosioptar 3mo ago
      Yeah, the engine and drivetrains are immortal, everything else is constantly dying though.
- cactacea 3mo ago
  It was also designed by European engineers, not in Michigan. Not saying that's the reason the Focus is more reliable than a Taurus but they didn't follow the "typical" Ford design process at the time for that vehicle. For what it is worth I owned a 1992 Taurus and it left me stranded more times than I can count. Just some of the issues I had were a water pump that exploded and a seized A/C compressor.
  - cucumber3732842 3mo ago
    <eyes roll in literal loop> Pretty much everything Ford brings to the US that was designed in Europe is loathed by anyone who has to own it out of warranty. Turns out that when you have a building full of engineers in Germany or England their domestic engineering culture results in work output not all that different from the sort of stuff people chastise BMW and Land Rover for. That said, the Escort, and to a lesser extent the Focus, are generally considered very good vehicles.
    - cactacea 3mo ago
      > <eyes roll in literal loop> k
pchristensen 3mo ago
Ford invested heavily in reliability in the late 2000s - see e.g. https://www.latimes.com/business/la-xpm-2012-apr-15-la-fi-books-20120415-story.html#:~:text=In%20his%20new%20book%20“American,extent%2C%20the%20man%20behind%20it. https://www.latimes.com/business/la-xpm-2012-apr-15-la-fi-bo...

jayd16 3mo ago

Step 1: fire everyone. Step 2: figure out how to use AI. In that order, apparently.

zamalek 3mo ago
Alternatively: Step 1: 30 minute conversation with AI on how to use AI. Step 2: fire everyone.
deleted 3mo ago
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tanseydavid 3mo ago
I don't understand why Ford did not just put the LLM on a PiP.
joelfried 3mo ago
Of course in that order! Step 3: Rehire key personnel at lower cost than whomever was fired in Step 1. Step 4: Take credit for cost reductions . . . and give yourself a raise!

thewebguyd 3mo ago

This idea is everywhere right now, that AI is some magic black box that will solve all your business problems. The sentiment is spreading through the exec team where I work now too. It's like a disease. C-suites completely disconnected from reality and assuming we've already achieved ASI/AGI, and marketing teams & business journals are only furthering that narrative. It's so weird. I don't know what it is about AI that causes people to throw all thought and caution to the wind and charge forward blind. Its like they've been chomping at the bit for decades to get rid of those pesky humans and are so hyped up over it they can't see clearly anymore.

disgruntledphd2 3mo ago
> It's so weird. I don't know what it is about AI that causes people to throw all thought and caution to the wind and charge forward blind. Its like they've been chomping at the bit for decades to get rid of those pesky humans and are so hyped up over it they can't see clearly anymore. It's just a hype cycle. In my 15 years in data, I've seen around 3-4. Every time leadership get way too invested in the possibilities, and they waste tons of money on doomed efforts. A good example of the prior one was "Big Data" which was even more pointless than the current AI boom. Don't get me wrong, there is valuable tech there (at the very least, being able to reliably generate structured data from unstructured input is incredibly valuable in data), but the current hype is way off the charts.
- simianwords 3mo ago
  I think you are misleading people by calling it a "hype cycle". There is no going back from this technology. It is going to encroach every part of lives more and more. What does hype even mean concretely? I think this is just a coping mechanism if you ask me.
  - dgellow 3mo ago
    Hype cycle doesn’t imply the technology has no value. But we should be able to talk about it as the boring, nerdy technology it is without that whole doom trolling and “AI will literally solve everything”

saltcured 3mo ago

Well, the business plan came out of this mysterious box, after we fed in the payroll reduction requirement...

dgellow 3mo ago

Earlier this year I’ve been in calls with leaders from top US companies where their strategy was basically “we have to switch absolutely everything to agentic right now, otherwise we are dead”. That was the full thought. That made reading their subsequent layoff blog posts pretty depressing

LogicFailsMe 3mo ago

Top men.