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I'm looking forward to the trial where Anthropic will have to disclose sources of their training data, and then explain why they are entitled to charging custom

I'm looking forward to the trial where Anthropic will have to disclose sources of their training data, and then explain why they are entitled to charging customers for using regurgitated training data but Alibaba which trains their models on Anthropic's models are not. Should be fun. Edit: clarification

ninefathom 3mo ago
While I love the sentiment, I feel like the odds of this actually ever reaching a trial are low, given the international positioning of the parties, and the... um... complex relationships involved. Anthropic's actions seem performative. Others have already speculated on the likely audience(s).
- AdieuToLogic 3mo ago
  > While I love the sentiment, I feel like the odds of this actually ever reaching a trial are low ... As cited in a peer comment here[0]: In June 2025, Judge William Alsup of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California ruled on summary judgment that using books without permission to train AI was fair use if they were acquired legally, but he denied Anthropic’s request for summary judgment related to piracy—finding that the piracy was not fair use.[1] Of note in the judge's finding; "the piracy was not fair use". 0 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48667411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48667411 1 - https://authorsguild.org/advocacy/artificial-intelligence/what-authors-need-to-know-about-the-anthropic-settlement/ https://authorsguild.org/advocacy/artificial-intelligence/wh...
appplication 3mo ago
Being logically consistent isn’t as profitable as being aggressive and loud.
conception 3mo ago
They already did and paid 1.5B https://authorsguild.org/advocacy/artificial-intelligence/what-authors-need-to-know-about-the-anthropic-settlement/ https://authorsguild.org/advocacy/artificial-intelligence/wh...
- gaiagraphia 3mo ago
  Quite amusing that the library of libgen is worth 1.5bil for unlimited access. It's about the same valuation as bun, lol.
  - mastermedo 3mo ago
    $3,000 per title.
    - scotty79 3mo ago
      Do you think many authors would give you rights to create derivative works en masse for that money?
    - gf000 3mo ago
      For endlessly reselling the whole work verbatim? Well, where can I buy such a license in the real world, because then I would like to buy a couple of those!
- cr125rider 3mo ago
  Meta/Facebook got away with it though right?
- mannanj 3mo ago
  That's a great cost-benefit ratio. Can you and I steal and do illegal things and pay the same cost?
  - eviks 3mo ago
    Sure, but only if you get the same benefits
    - mannanj 3mo ago
      looks like we can't today. Man it would be great to figure out how to be above the law just like how these other rich people in different social classes are.
Artoooooor 3mo ago
And if it includes at least one GPL source, they should release the weights on GPL license.

ninefathom 3mo ago

While I love the sentiment, I feel like the odds of this actually ever reaching a trial are low, given the international positioning of the parties, and the... um... complex relationships involved. Anthropic's actions seem performative. Others have already speculated on the likely audience(s).

AdieuToLogic 3mo ago
> While I love the sentiment, I feel like the odds of this actually ever reaching a trial are low ... As cited in a peer comment here[0]: In June 2025, Judge William Alsup of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California ruled on summary judgment that using books without permission to train AI was fair use if they were acquired legally, but he denied Anthropic’s request for summary judgment related to piracy—finding that the piracy was not fair use.[1] Of note in the judge's finding; "the piracy was not fair use". 0 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48667411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48667411 1 - https://authorsguild.org/advocacy/artificial-intelligence/what-authors-need-to-know-about-the-anthropic-settlement/ https://authorsguild.org/advocacy/artificial-intelligence/wh...

appplication 3mo ago

Being logically consistent isn’t as profitable as being aggressive and loud.

conception 3mo ago

They already did and paid 1.5B https://authorsguild.org/advocacy/artificial-intelligence/what-authors-need-to-know-about-the-anthropic-settlement/ https://authorsguild.org/advocacy/artificial-intelligence/wh...

gaiagraphia 3mo ago
Quite amusing that the library of libgen is worth 1.5bil for unlimited access. It's about the same valuation as bun, lol.
- mastermedo 3mo ago
  $3,000 per title.
  - scotty79 3mo ago
    Do you think many authors would give you rights to create derivative works en masse for that money?
  - gf000 3mo ago
    For endlessly reselling the whole work verbatim? Well, where can I buy such a license in the real world, because then I would like to buy a couple of those!
cr125rider 3mo ago
Meta/Facebook got away with it though right?
mannanj 3mo ago
That's a great cost-benefit ratio. Can you and I steal and do illegal things and pay the same cost?
- eviks 3mo ago
  Sure, but only if you get the same benefits
  - mannanj 3mo ago
    looks like we can't today. Man it would be great to figure out how to be above the law just like how these other rich people in different social classes are.

Artoooooor 3mo ago

And if it includes at least one GPL source, they should release the weights on GPL license.