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> Dating the police is just such an astoundingly egregious violation of this principle There are still quite a few people who think the police are the friendly

> Dating the police is just such an astoundingly egregious violation of this principle There are still quite a few people who think the police are the friendly government-provided customer service agents of life, although I've watched this viewpoint decline markedly over the last twenty years at least. Locally, a woman went on a hiking date with a Phoenix cop and wound up dead [0]. Notably, the woman was from New England, while the cop was local and absolutely should have known better how dangerous conditions would be. The police, of course, investigated themselves and found they did nothing wrong. [0] https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/hiker-recalls-seeing-woman-who-died-hiking-with-off-duty-phoenix-officer-on-camelback-mountain https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/hiker-recalls-seeing-woman...

s1artibartfast 3mo ago
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- wahnfrieden 3mo ago
  No, it is just one HNer's random comment
  - s1artibartfast 3mo ago
    Well yeah, that is the evidence one random thinks is compelling. It gives insight into how some people think, and like I said I feel third-party embarrassment for them. A cop could literally be a Jeffrey Dahmer copycat, and it wouldnt be generalizable. In this specific case there is zero evidence of criminal wrongdoing
    - wahnfrieden 3mo ago
      Have you tried to find systemic patterns of wrongdoings?
      - s1artibartfast 3mo ago
        I dont think systemic patterns are sufficient to prove universal truths? Yes, some cops beat their wives, some abuse their power, some murder people. None of that by itself means I should judge a given cop, let all of them, or not talk to them. Replace "cop" with "black" or "white" and you see how absurd this binary thinking is. The actual world operates on scales of grey. There are a million cops in the USA. Some are good and some are bad. Dont talk to cops if you are holding drugs. Do talk to cops if someone is breaking into your house or sexually abusing your child.
    - ultrarunner 3mo ago
      Well, I mean, Phoenix PD was under federal investigation for years. Maricopa was found to be violating civil rights for years, Sheriff Arpaio was famous on HN for years for using police against his political adversaries. And on and on and on. I realize that when I don't write an essay there will be latitude for interpretation (which I generally find interesting), but there will always be one HN commenter who takes a pejorative reductionist approach despite the site guidelines. So no, obviously, woman goes on date with a cop and ends up dead isn't evidence of all cops being of a particular demeanor, any more than a police chief misusing a camera is evidence of cameras being bad for freedom. But Flock cameras are bad for freedom, having a huge potential for misuse. And cops have a huge propensity for domestic violence and dangerous behavior towards their partners. Ample evidence exists if you care to look.
warumdarum 3mo ago
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kakacik 3mo ago
A female high on meth gets disoriented and dies from heat exposure in the mountains. As per article she willingly separated from the guy whom she sent to the top of the peak "to continue to get pic for social media". He probably should have know better and just go down with her and call it a day, or not getting high on meth in dangerous environment in the first place but thats about it. Unless you have a better article on that, that really ain't evidence of anything.
- close04 3mo ago
  A trained police officer leaves his obviously high (police can always tell even on first contact and from far away, right?) and exhausted hiking partner to return alone, with no water, in blazing heat, on an unfamiliar trail, to eventually die alone. Peak police.
- Hikikomori 3mo ago
  Meth and amphetamine are very different drugs, but a bootlicker wouldn't know the difference. She could also have been spiked and left to die by the cop, can't really know without a proper investigation, which the police never subject themselves to.
  - mapotofu 3mo ago
    Her source of trust was instagram. The cop’s instagram led her to travel to Arizona and be with him. She was convinced by his instagram that she agreed to do all of this. That’s really dumb and it’s what you get playing stupid games with strangers on the internet.
    - Hikikomori 3mo ago
      What is this nonsense. Instagram isn't an entity like that, she talked to a cop over a messaging service.
    - sixothree 3mo ago
      Says the person using social media.
mlrtime 3mo ago
IDK, In my town that is what they are, they come when called, they are respectful, they live in the town they service. I only see problems with police [generally speaking] in two scenarios. 1) Very large cities like NYC where police don't [cannot afford] to live in the area they work in. 2) Very small citie where the mayor, judge and sherrif are all related.
- mock-possum 3mo ago
  That sounds great for you, but the point is: what if they were not inclined to do those things? What if they didn’t come when called? What if they weren’t respectful? What if they weren’t a part of your community? What recourse do you have against cops?
  - mlrtime 3mo ago
    It's great for me because I choose where I live. If they don't come I have a gun.

s1artibartfast 3mo ago

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wahnfrieden 3mo ago
No, it is just one HNer's random comment
- s1artibartfast 3mo ago
  Well yeah, that is the evidence one random thinks is compelling. It gives insight into how some people think, and like I said I feel third-party embarrassment for them. A cop could literally be a Jeffrey Dahmer copycat, and it wouldnt be generalizable. In this specific case there is zero evidence of criminal wrongdoing
  - wahnfrieden 3mo ago
    Have you tried to find systemic patterns of wrongdoings?
    - s1artibartfast 3mo ago
      I dont think systemic patterns are sufficient to prove universal truths? Yes, some cops beat their wives, some abuse their power, some murder people. None of that by itself means I should judge a given cop, let all of them, or not talk to them. Replace "cop" with "black" or "white" and you see how absurd this binary thinking is. The actual world operates on scales of grey. There are a million cops in the USA. Some are good and some are bad. Dont talk to cops if you are holding drugs. Do talk to cops if someone is breaking into your house or sexually abusing your child.
  - ultrarunner 3mo ago
    Well, I mean, Phoenix PD was under federal investigation for years. Maricopa was found to be violating civil rights for years, Sheriff Arpaio was famous on HN for years for using police against his political adversaries. And on and on and on. I realize that when I don't write an essay there will be latitude for interpretation (which I generally find interesting), but there will always be one HN commenter who takes a pejorative reductionist approach despite the site guidelines. So no, obviously, woman goes on date with a cop and ends up dead isn't evidence of all cops being of a particular demeanor, any more than a police chief misusing a camera is evidence of cameras being bad for freedom. But Flock cameras are bad for freedom, having a huge potential for misuse. And cops have a huge propensity for domestic violence and dangerous behavior towards their partners. Ample evidence exists if you care to look.

warumdarum 3mo ago

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kakacik 3mo ago

A female high on meth gets disoriented and dies from heat exposure in the mountains. As per article she willingly separated from the guy whom she sent to the top of the peak "to continue to get pic for social media". He probably should have know better and just go down with her and call it a day, or not getting high on meth in dangerous environment in the first place but thats about it. Unless you have a better article on that, that really ain't evidence of anything.

close04 3mo ago
A trained police officer leaves his obviously high (police can always tell even on first contact and from far away, right?) and exhausted hiking partner to return alone, with no water, in blazing heat, on an unfamiliar trail, to eventually die alone. Peak police.
Hikikomori 3mo ago
Meth and amphetamine are very different drugs, but a bootlicker wouldn't know the difference. She could also have been spiked and left to die by the cop, can't really know without a proper investigation, which the police never subject themselves to.
- mapotofu 3mo ago
  Her source of trust was instagram. The cop’s instagram led her to travel to Arizona and be with him. She was convinced by his instagram that she agreed to do all of this. That’s really dumb and it’s what you get playing stupid games with strangers on the internet.
  - Hikikomori 3mo ago
    What is this nonsense. Instagram isn't an entity like that, she talked to a cop over a messaging service.
  - sixothree 3mo ago
    Says the person using social media.

mlrtime 3mo ago

IDK, In my town that is what they are, they come when called, they are respectful, they live in the town they service. I only see problems with police [generally speaking] in two scenarios. 1) Very large cities like NYC where police don't [cannot afford] to live in the area they work in. 2) Very small citie where the mayor, judge and sherrif are all related.

mock-possum 3mo ago
That sounds great for you, but the point is: what if they were not inclined to do those things? What if they didn’t come when called? What if they weren’t respectful? What if they weren’t a part of your community? What recourse do you have against cops?
- mlrtime 3mo ago
  It's great for me because I choose where I live. If they don't come I have a gun.