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Canyon HUD helmet for road riding
- chadrs 3mo agoHUD won't protect from a driver texting and running you over!
- recursive 3mo agoNeither will anything else, so that's not really a competitive disadvantage.
- Zambyte 3mo agoWell, a wall will. It might even dissuade them from trying.
- Scoundreller 3mo agoThanks to LaWs, people do this with their phone on their lap instead of held up with a forward field of view. Yay?
- rustcleaner 3mo agoWhat will protect is taking bicycles off motor vehicle roadways, and laying down new, much narrower bicycle-exclusive roads all over instead. It doesn't make sense to mix the slower and vulnerable bicycle traffic with the faster and safer motor vehicles!
- drjasonharrison 3mo agoWe could also slow down the motor vehicles to the speeds where drivers can react to pedestrians and cyclists. And improve education all around for road users, including pedestrians, to widen the understanding of how individual decisions affect the community. For example, starting to cross the road at the end of the crosswalk signal leads to fewer cars able to turn right, which leads to more congestion, etc. Trying to make it across the intersection when traffic is moving slowly and blocking crosswalks and cross traffic. Opening the driver's side door with your opposite hand to look in the side view mirror or blind spot for cyclists.
- wxw 3mo agoSo I started biking recently and was hunting for helmets. And turns out Virgina Tech does a bunch of helmet impact testing and maintains a ranking list https://www.helmet.beam.vt.edu/ https://www.helmet.beam.vt.edu/. The latest helmets have a releasable layer that absorbs (converts rotational energy?) more impact. This HUD is pretty slick. In a way, it's more preventative (avoiding accidents) vs. reactive (absorbing impact in an accident) safety which sounds nice.
- mft_ 3mo ago> And turns out Virgina Tech does a bunch of helmet impact testing and maintains a ranking list https://www.helmet.beam.vt.edu/ https://www.helmet.beam.vt.edu/ Thanks for sharing. Interesting to see my Giro (with MIPS) has... 3 stars. Hmmm.
- carabiner 3mo agoI'm pretty convinced mips is just marketing. Hair will do the same thing. That's why in rock climbing world, petzl hasn't even bothered with it when they're usually very forward thinking about their designs (first company to do side impact testing).
- snovv_crash 3mo agoExactly. Hair and scalp. Evolution already made a MIPS system. The thing lacking it was the test dummies that Virginia Tech uses, so now they recommend we put it in helmets too.
- Scoundreller 3mo agoOr the ground being low traction: dusty/dirt/wet. Harder to control what you land on, but will diminish MIPS’ ROI in many situations.
- mmooss 3mo agoIf ruling out risks by a priori is a solution, why wear a helmet at all? Maybe you won't hit your head when you fall. Maybe you'll land in water or on a satin pillow (low friction).
- KeplerBoy 3mo agoKind of surprising this stuff still is little more than a concept. 12 years after google launched and scrapped it's glasses there are still no well established alternatives for cycling, which is such an obvious market. Everyone is wearing glasses, everyone has a computer mounted to their handlebar, let's integrate them together already.
- freejazz 3mo agoThat's a solution in search of a problem that does not exist. This would, at best, be useful for someone doing a time trial. I don't see road racers using it in any other context.
- loeg 3mo agoIt might make more sense to put this in the glasses than attached to the helmet, which is ultimately a consumable. But I basically agree with sibling comment that no one really wants this. (I race bikes and know a lot of other racers.)
- Scoundreller 3mo agoI’ve the same opinion between heated gloves and pogies. Pogies are great but don’t do you any good off of your bike.
- KeplerBoy 3mo agoWell the helmet is also a consumable (you should swap them every few years and of course after every crash). But having the visor integrated in the visor is awkward.
- tokai 3mo agoWith UCI ruling on bike computer sizes in the name of reducing rider distractions, I bet that HUD glasses would be outlawed with post hast if they became a thing in the pro peloton.
- this_user 3mo agoAnd everyone will bully you on the group ride if you show up with this.
- nntwozz 3mo agoOh no I forgot to charge my helmet. Also, helmets are meant to be replaced every couple of years as the materials deteriorate (UV/heat) and the protection dissipates. As we like to say, dentist helmet.
- Scoundreller 3mo ago> UV How can I get people to stop laughing at me for tinfoiling my helmet?
- supertroop 3mo agoI’m so done with technology’s “answer to a question nobody asked.” Like bluetooth derailleurs. Utter garbage. The only down side is that this wave of technocrap wipes out shelf space for analog cyclists. Hard enough to find a decent triple front derailleur, let alone 48-spoke hubs with a cartridge. Now this crap.
- Gigachad 3mo agoWasn't the triple front derailleur basically obsoleted by putting more gears on the rear? All the talk has been around single front gears and 12-13 rear gears. None of that has to do with electronics.
- NegativeLatency 3mo agoEven if you put more on the rear you can still get 50% more options if you add a 3rd front cog. It's not needed on everything but I really appreciate the extra options on my recumbent and touring bike.
- Gigachad 3mo agoMost of those options are overlapping and redundant though. Only the total range really matters, by simplifying the front the whole system becomes easier to use and mechanically less complicated.
- Gualdrapo 3mo agoThe title is a bit confusing imho, it seems it fits more for time trialing rather than general road riding? I can't see no vents whatsoever, my incredibly sweaty noggin would soak tons of sweat into that thing
- loeg 3mo agoIt's not intended to be a real helmet. It's a prototype / marketing exercise. It is inevitably too expensive and/or heavy to be a practical helmet.
- blacksmith_tb 3mo agoAs someone who commutes in traffic daily, this is not what I need or want. First up, it looks heavy and badly-ventilated, and then there's the potential for distracting info blocking my view of the actual road in front of me. Even if it was really good info (which would take really good sensors, plus a lot of compute to cram onboard), I am skeptical it'd be better than, you know, paying attention to your surroundings. I like ADAS functionality in modern cars just fine, but it seems like a stretch to try and bring it to bikes. What we all could use is some kind of ad hoc network between all road users, so the car that was thinking about turning in front of me could ping my helmet / bike and understand that it should wait and turn behind me instead.
- bdavbdav 3mo agoI get the impression that this is not where it’s aimed.
- dmurray 3mo agoWhat information would your bike send to the car in this example that would help? We're closer to having lidar in all new cars than this mesh network, so "There's a bike behind you travelling approximately X speed" is something the car already knows. "The cyclist requested you not to turn in front of him" - why would anyone ever send anything else? Perhaps the car can send you a message instead "I'm going to cut you off and there's nothing you can do about it" but even if that might actually improve safety I don't think it's the change you'd want to see.
- bboozzoo 3mo ago> "There's a bike behind you travelling approximately X speed" Funny how garmin varia gives the exact same information but on cars. "There's a car behind you travelling approximately X speed" (which is most often over the speed limit anyway)
- blacksmith_tb 3mo agoThe idea would be more like the car, not the human behind the wheel, would realize that if it right-hooked me that would be bad (read insurance-increasing, citeable offense, etc.) and wait, where the driver would just keep flipping through their playlist and crush me.
- msandford 3mo agoThis really seems like a solution in search of a problem. Maybe it would be useful for pro tour riders, but I would guess it'll be banned as not in the spirit of cycle racing. Recumbents would really change the game in the pro tour for speed but the UCI doesn't allow them for the same reason.
- nradov 3mo agoThe target market is more likely to be affluent amateurs rather that pros. The pros will typically have a team car or radio for navigation, and aren't as dependent on metrics like power or heart rate for training. Recumbent bikes might be fun to watch in time trial races but would be ridiculously dangerous in a peloton. Visibility is bad enough on a regular bike when you're at the back of a group, and the lower perspective on a recumbent would make mass crashes even more likely. Yikes.
- loeg 3mo agoThe target market is media (and social media). This won't be sold.
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- freejazz 3mo agoAnd recumbents on descents? Yeeeucchhh
- snovv_crash 3mo agoAt least you crash feet-first.
- Skidaddle 3mo agoThis is unfortunately how I feel about AR in general, despite having worked in the space for a while.
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- nradov 3mo agoThere have been a few attempts at devices like this before such the Everysight Raptor and Garmin Varia Vision but none of them ever found mainstream adoption. In principle a HUD with navigation cues and key cycling metrics would be nice to have. But the devices have always had problems such as poor integration with bike computers or discomfort on long rides or incompatibility with prescription lenses or just looking goofy. Road cyclists aren't necessarily shy about wearing stupid looking kit but there are limits, and this new Canyon helmet looks like you're cosplaying as a stormtrooper.
- airstrike 3mo agoI feel like this would work better if it were cheap enough to serve Uber Eats delivery workers instead of pro riders.
- chollida1 3mo agoI use a Garmin edge bike computer and a Garmin tail light with lidar that shows cars as they come up from behind on you on the computer screen and give audio alert as well. That works well enough for most road riding. I wonder if having a reverse view mapped onto my glasses would be an improvement or take away from my focus.
- 1shooner 3mo agoSo about the lidar: what does that actually do for you? Or I should say, what do you do in response to it? Do you yield more road space if it tells you a car is approaching? I've been trying to understand what good such an alert actually does for an otherwise attentive rider.
- chollida1 3mo agoThe lidar shows me: - if a car is behind me - how many cars( I think up to 8) are behind me - what speed they are coming up on me by way of animation To answer your question about what to do, mostly yes, yield the road if I'm on a country road and get over to the shoulder if there is a good paved one. It's a valid question if you've never ridden on a country road with cars. You want all the notification you can get if someone is coming up behind you so you can plan what to do
- limitedmage 3mo agoI use a [mirror](https://takealookactive.com/ https://takealookactive.com/), it adds so much more confidence and safety that I'll refuse to ride without it. Helps me make left turns, avoid aggressive cars, and make sure I'm not dropping my friends. No fancy electronics, no battery to charge, and it's inexpensive to replace.
- mc3301 3mo agoI've been commuting with a mirror for 5 years; it feels SO dangerous the odd time I commute with my non-mirrored mountain bike.
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- akersten 3mo agoNo mention of a built in camera makes this a total non starter for me. If I'm going all in on an AI helmet it better be able to record front and back so my next of kin can get a payout from whatever pavement princess flattened me in the unprotected bike lane.
- tracerbulletx 3mo agoIts part of a whole prototype system, the cameras would be on the bike, it also mentions radar and all kinds of things. Basically just building a whole sensor suite into a bike platform. Idk how serious they are about it. https://media-centre.canyon.com/en-INT/266864-futuristic-prototype-canyon-predict-bike-makes-debut-at-eurobike-to-define-the-future-of-rider-safety/ https://media-centre.canyon.com/en-INT/266864-futuristic-pro...
- supertroop 3mo agoNot even a rear-view mirror. Which is the second most important piece of safety gear after a helmet.
- Rebelgecko 3mo agoI'm surprised it doesn't tie into taillight radars. I've been intrigued by those but I don't want to deal with also buying a bike computer to see its output (plus the brand that's considered the "best" still uses micro-usb)
- lp251 3mo agothe new varia is usb-c
- Rebelgecko 3mo agoFinally!!!
- coredog64 3mo agoI didn't see anything in the press release about notifying riders that they're not a quantum superposition of vehicle and pedestrian that can collapse into whatever legal domain they feel is most convenient.
- ethagnawl 3mo agoI'm sure I'm just being a crotchety old graybeard but I ride my bikes to get away from this crap. I do use Strava to track my rides on my watch but I don't even look at it until the ride is over.
- reaperducer 3mo agoI'm sure I'm just being a crotchety old graybeard but I ride my bikes to get away from this crap. Don't apologize for being a human being. The world needs more of them.
- mc3301 3mo agoI don't have strava or anything. I don't even know how long my rides are, my best times, my altitude. I just go for a ride; successfully capturing the exact feeling of riding since I was a teenager.
- klaff 3mo agoAmen
- dieselgate 3mo agoI personally find strava culture to generally be toxic and annoying, though the above poster seems to use it in a genuine way. 8A is similar in the climbing community. Similar to Github: what starts out as an honest need for tracking and documentation turns into a social-media-showboating circus.
- radley 3mo agoSmart ski googles have had this for a while.
- mvkel 3mo agoI'm not sure who this is for. It's a time trial style helmet, but isn't very useful for time trialing. And it's not a commuter helmet. And it's not a road riding helmet, as it has no breathability. Is this a defensive patent thing?
- notatoad 3mo agoit's just a thing to show off in their trade show booth. maybe there will be some engineer on the project who learns something useful while working on this that can be applied to some actual project, but this is pretty clearly not an actual product that they intend to sell in anything more than single-digit quantities
- merelysounds 3mo agoNote, they say it is based on their existing helmet[1]. [1]: https://www.canyon.com/en-de/clothing/helmets/canyon-cfr/canyon-stingr-cfr-helmet/9102274.html https://www.canyon.com/en-de/clothing/helmets/canyon-cfr/can...
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- neves 3mo agoThere are a lot of new safety bike tech gadgets. It's difficult to spot nice ones, like MIPS helmets, from the useless. Do my fellow hacker news readers recommend some useful tech for bikes?
- SequoiaHope 3mo agoTo anyone who wants to ride more safely I cannot recommend enough this simple $20 mirror which I find so valuable that I buy extra and hand them out to friends and strangers to help keep them safer. A mirror mounted on your glasses or a similar mirror affixed to your helmet (close to your eyes and mounted on your head) allows for a large field of view that you can easily steer to see behind you. I ride on the streets of Oakland every single day and situational awareness is critical. The single biggest thing you can do for safety is watch each car as it approaches behind you for its speed and trajectory. Anyone approaching too close or too fast is a bad sign and with a mirror you can more easily avoid them. These are also available on Amazon and I am not in any way affiliated I just think they’re good life saving technology: https://takealookactive.com/ https://takealookactive.com/
- EsotericAlgo 3mo agoI’ll second this, it’s absolutely a game changer. I’ve used handlebar mounted mirrors and the like but I’ll never willingly go back. I tend to prefer helmet mounted and I glue them on which isn’t my favorite thing to do on a new helmet. It’s also a bit frustrating when you find yourself cycling in a country that drives on the opposite side. I do find that on very long tours the week following I’m looking where I’d expect the mirror to be when I want to look behind me.
- laluser 3mo agoObviously the mirror gets the job done, but I use Garmin Varia radar hooked up to my bike computer and you can see cars behind you and their velocity is displayed as different colors. It’s way more expensive, but amazing for road biking.
- belZaah 3mo agoRadars do this better. They can warn you from much further away and do not require for you to keep an eye out - there’s audible cues.
- SequoiaHope 3mo agoDo they also show bikes? I use the mirror not just to monitor cars but see where my friends are. If a friend breaks down and is on the side of the road I want to see without having to fully turn my head around.
- eff_kaufel 3mo agoAs a cyclist myself. I’m not sure I could wear something like this.
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- merelysounds 3mo agoI wish they showed videos with a human model or the retractable mechanism. At first glance the visor seems large enough to cover the face, but based on the HUD simulation I guess it only covers the eyes.
- foo12bar 3mo ago> Its primary function – setting it apart from other eyewear data systems – is to provide instantly visible alerts about the behaviour other road users (e.g. such as brake light activation, *crash detection*, etc) Just what I need, when a car nearby me crashes into a physical object, my vizor helmet is shouting "Bonzai!!!" with lighting bolts everywhere.
- contingencies 3mo agoSee also https://minimis.life/ https://minimis.life/ which is an Aussie startup with a foot in California trying to do a cycling-focused AR smart glasses solution (ie. no helmet integration).
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- Wicher 3mo agoHmmmmm, a visor? I suppose it'll get steamed up pretty easily when hillclimbing on a cold damp morning.
- oflannabhra 3mo agoWhile this is cool, I’m really surprised that eyeglass or sunglasses manufacturers haven’t doubled down on simple HUDs. In swimming there are the FORM goggles [0], but everything in the sunglasses space is focused on voice and cameras (looking at you Meta). I really just want a basic, simple HUD that can display speed, distance, pace, HR from other sources. I don’t care about it being standalone, I already have a bike computer, phone, and watch. - [0] - https://www.formswim.com/products/smart-swim-2-lt-goggles https://www.formswim.com/products/smart-swim-2-lt-goggles