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Like Musk's salute

• stinkbeetle 3mo ago
  IIRC the experts debunked that disinformation. Yes I remembered correctly https://x.com/ADL/status/1881474892022919403 https://x.com/ADL/status/1881474892022919403
  • nemo 3mo ago
    Whatever that performance was, it certainly was not a debunking. The guy made a Nazi salute at CPAC, I saw it, there wasn't any ambiguity or question of intent. To me and everyone I know it was an obvious overt Nazi salute made in a context where it was clear that's what he was doing, esp. to me and my Jewish family members. The fact that the ADL stooped to what they did doesn't change reality, it just shows what a bunch of ghouls the ADL have become. Other Jewish orgs have been clear that this was a Nazi salute.
    • stinkbeetle 3mo ago
      You're welcome to your opinion but I will trust the experts.
      • ciconia 3mo ago
        The experts on what? Zionist lobbying?
        • stinkbeetle 3mo ago
          I have not heard anybody who is assured that it was a nazi salute after "doing their own research on the internet" who did not already hate Musk and wish desperately for this to be a nazi salute. The evidence for this conclusion that I have seen boils down to "Musk is a nazi therefore this was a nazi salute", because somehow the exact same kind of actions can be deemed with certainty to not be nazi salutes when performed by figures these self-enlightened people like. So you will forgive me for not trusting frothing "internet researchers" at their word, over organizations like the ADL. Well this has been a fascinating case study in how rapidly expert opinion is cast aside and to make way for conspiracy theories about the scheming Jews when it suits peoples biases, so let's just end the thread at that.
          • nielsbot 3mo ago
            Sounds like the converse is true actually--I haven't seen anyone who isn't a Musk stan (or anti-semite) say it's not a Nazi salute.
            • stinkbeetle 3mo ago
              I just mentioned the ADL saying it wasn't. Are you asserting without evidence that they are "Musk stan" anti-semites, or are you pretending this is too complicated for you to follow?
              • gremlinunderway 3mo ago
                Pretending the ADL is some neutral apolitical research body of experts on antisemitism is absolutely ridiculous in 2026. Come on. They aren't any more a useful source on this then saying "the Republican Party cleared it" or "the CPAC secretariat cleared it". This is the same org that defined antisemitism as being equivalent to criticising the State of Israel. They have zero credibility on the subject. Also, it wasn't "the ADLs research wing did a comprehensive study and concluded it was not a Nazi salute". It was a tweet made solely by the CEO of the ADL, who has himself been criticised for turning away from civil rights and antisemitism and focusing on Israeli interests.
                • stinkbeetle 3mo ago
                  I'm not pretending anything other than the ADL has a lot more authority than the incoherent rambling of partisans and conspiracy theorists who think they know it all. Clearly people who think Corey Booker's exact same actions, or this hateful weirdo's nazi tattoo are "no big deal" a just hilariously contradictory if they claim to be certain that Musk made a "nazi salute"! If nothing else we can agree on that and laugh at those hateful cretins. > Also, it wasn't "the ADLs research wing did a comprehensive study and concluded it was not a Nazi salute". It was a tweet made solely by the CEO of the ADL, who has himself been criticised for turning away from civil rights and antisemitism and focusing on Israeli interests. Disingenuous. That is the official stance of the ADL and the tweet was made on behalf of the organization.
      • Tostino 3mo ago
        I'm just going to mark you in my mind as a Nazi apologist / sympathizer. You are pushing a real ugly world view there.
        • stinkbeetle 3mo ago
          I really don't give a rat's ass what your twisted hateful little denier mind does, except I suppose for morbid fascination to know what "world view" it is you believe that i am "pushing".
  • nielsbot 3mo ago
    The ADL is not a trustworthy source about what is and isn't anti-Semitism. Maybe they do point out actual incidents of anti-Semitism and true anti-Semites (which still exist in large numbers.) but they're unflinching support for Israel (a leading world cause of anti-Semitism) calls all their messaging into question.
    • stinkbeetle 3mo ago
      When they go the other way and say something is not a nazi salute, that is pretty trustworthy. Especially of someone who they are quite critical of for other reasons. Much more trustworthy than some internet crackpot conspiracy theorist, or the "trust me bro" people and groups whose political alignments compel them to also claim that Corey Booker's "nazi salute" wasn't, or that this guy's nazi tattoo is not a big deal, wouldn't you think?
      • nielsbot 3mo ago
        I don’t find the ADL trustworthy in fact. Their Zionism is ruining my trust in them. Being pro-Israel is at odds with being against anti-Semitism.
        • stinkbeetle 3mo ago
          Of course you find them untrustworthy, because their position on Musk's salute threatens the non-negotiable tenets of your worldview. You decided it is a nazi salute, therefore anybody who disagrees is untrustworthy/Zionist/etc vast conspiracy theory. This is not surprising at all, I'm not trying to change your opinion because it clearly can't be. I'm just commenting that people who are absolutely certain about that (without much evidence other than "trust me bro"), but simultaneously vigorously defend nazi tattoos and similar salutes from people who they like, are incapable of reasoning about this subject. The ADL might have other issues which you are desperately trying to conflate here, but clearly they are recognized experts in this, at least to the point you'd be inclined to believe them over politicians or frothing internet partisans on the matter. Right?