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I think there's a pretty big difference here. It's not like Github prevents you from building a Github competitor. Or Linear is preventing you from using it to

by booi 3mo ago

I think there's a pretty big difference here. It's not like Github prevents you from building a Github competitor. Or Linear is preventing you from using it to build a Linear competitor. This is more akin to Windows somehow preventing you from building a new OS. Or worse yet, sabotaging vs preventing.

semiquaver 3mo ago
A surprising number of companies do include “you may not use the service we provide you to compete with us” in their terms of service. (edit) After a quick search the best example is Atlassian. It would (apparently, IANAL) break terms to plan a JIRA competitor using JIRA. > Customer must not (and must not permit anyone else to): [...] (d) use the Products to develop a similar or competing product or service https://www.atlassian.com/legal/atlassian-customer-agreement https://www.atlassian.com/legal/atlassian-customer-agreement Also Salesforce. Their competitors are explicitly disallowed from using any of their services for any reason. > SFDC’s direct competitors are prohibited from accessing the Services, except with SFDC’s prior written consent. https://www.salesforce.com/en-us/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/documents/legal/salesforce_MSA.pdf https://www.salesforce.com/en-us/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/...
- trhaynes 3mo ago
  Perhaps provide an example or two?
  - ncallaway 3mo ago
    Was the parent comment edited, because it does have a couple of examples in it
    - semiquaver 3mo ago
      Yes, I edited after about 20 minutes to add examples, mea culpa. Will mark the edit.
- wincy 3mo ago
  I remember working for a company that did a lot of business in logistics. We were strictly prohibited from using any Amazon Web Services because several of our very high profile customers didn’t want anything on AWS. The higher ups were thoroughly convinced Amazon would copy it (and I mean, they came out with a product that competed with us, so they weren’t wrong!)
  - thraway3837 3mo ago
    This kind of stuff “but they’ll copy us” is always weird (and wrong). Logistics isn’t some secret sauce. It’s taught in operations degrees across colleges. If a company is worried that all it takes is another company “copying” their IP to supersede them, then you don’t have a company, you have a simple app. Amazon didn’t “copy” logistics from Apple. But both of them use similar underlying processes and optimizations. They both excel at it, and neither is eating the other’s profits. The same goes for smaller companies. Or the logistics providers like UPS.
OsrsNeedsf2P 3mo ago
> This is more akin to Windows somehow preventing you from building a new OS. Tangent, but have you tried repartitioning your Windows disk to make room for a new OS? Or tried to configure Windows to let you dualboot? Or get the clock time right if you dualboot? Or let you debug "Secure Boot"? Windows is outright hostile when it comes to (sharing with) a new OS
- FeteCommuniste 3mo ago
  Yeah, MS doesn't quite exemplify good-faith competitive spirit, does it?

by booi 3mo ago

semiquaver 3mo ago

A surprising number of companies do include “you may not use the service we provide you to compete with us” in their terms of service. (edit) After a quick search the best example is Atlassian. It would (apparently, IANAL) break terms to plan a JIRA competitor using JIRA. > Customer must not (and must not permit anyone else to): [...] (d) use the Products to develop a similar or competing product or service https://www.atlassian.com/legal/atlassian-customer-agreement https://www.atlassian.com/legal/atlassian-customer-agreement Also Salesforce. Their competitors are explicitly disallowed from using any of their services for any reason. > SFDC’s direct competitors are prohibited from accessing the Services, except with SFDC’s prior written consent. https://www.salesforce.com/en-us/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/documents/legal/salesforce_MSA.pdf https://www.salesforce.com/en-us/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/...

trhaynes 3mo ago
Perhaps provide an example or two?
- ncallaway 3mo ago
  Was the parent comment edited, because it does have a couple of examples in it
  - semiquaver 3mo ago
    Yes, I edited after about 20 minutes to add examples, mea culpa. Will mark the edit.
wincy 3mo ago
I remember working for a company that did a lot of business in logistics. We were strictly prohibited from using any Amazon Web Services because several of our very high profile customers didn’t want anything on AWS. The higher ups were thoroughly convinced Amazon would copy it (and I mean, they came out with a product that competed with us, so they weren’t wrong!)
- thraway3837 3mo ago
  This kind of stuff “but they’ll copy us” is always weird (and wrong). Logistics isn’t some secret sauce. It’s taught in operations degrees across colleges. If a company is worried that all it takes is another company “copying” their IP to supersede them, then you don’t have a company, you have a simple app. Amazon didn’t “copy” logistics from Apple. But both of them use similar underlying processes and optimizations. They both excel at it, and neither is eating the other’s profits. The same goes for smaller companies. Or the logistics providers like UPS.

OsrsNeedsf2P 3mo ago

> This is more akin to Windows somehow preventing you from building a new OS. Tangent, but have you tried repartitioning your Windows disk to make room for a new OS? Or tried to configure Windows to let you dualboot? Or get the clock time right if you dualboot? Or let you debug "Secure Boot"? Windows is outright hostile when it comes to (sharing with) a new OS

FeteCommuniste 3mo ago
Yeah, MS doesn't quite exemplify good-faith competitive spirit, does it?