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From today through June 22, Fable 5 is included on Pro, Max, Team, and seat-based Enterprise plans at no extra cost. On June 23, we’ll remove Fable 5 from those

From today through June 22, Fable 5 is included on Pro, Max, Team, and seat-based Enterprise plans at no extra cost. On June 23, we’ll remove Fable 5 from those plans. Using it after that will require usage credits. If capacity allows, we’ll extend the included window. After this point—when sufficient capacity allows us to do so—we aim to restore Fable 5 as a standard part of subscription plans. We intend to do this as quickly as we can. This seems like the pharmaceutical method of get them hooked on the drug with free samples, then once they can't live without it, raise the price. I'm not sure I want to start using Claude Fable on a max plan if it's just going to go away on June 23rd. But maybe the more charitable reading is that they didn't have to offer this model at all on those plans and they are giving the standard free trial.

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PeterStuer 3mo ago
I'll be amazed if they manage to keep their infra responsive over the next 2 weeks.
- trollied 3mo ago
  They just leased a massive spacex data centre.
  - PeterStuer 3mo ago
    Even so. The 2 week period will predictably unleash a feeding frenzy. Limited "free" time is what game developers do if they want to stress test the infrastructure code until it breaks.
    - swader999 3mo ago
      Yeah that's how I'm using it right now. Smoke em while you got em...
- kilroy123 3mo ago
  I've been getting a lot of these messages today: API Error: Server is temporarily limiting requests (not your usage limit) · Rate limited
- scamdrill 3mo ago
  No issues that I've seen so far. Seems to be holding up for now.
- fendy3002 3mo ago
  Opus will be gutted furthermore. /s I feel 4.8 is very slow in last 2 days
linsomniac 3mo ago
I was just saying last week: If Opus 4.8 max is as good as we get, and we plateau there, I think I'd be fine with it. For the stuff I've thrown at it, that configuration has done a really great job. Including 70+KLOC go proxy with extensive test suite, some retro games, and more.
leptons 3mo ago
This is the entire business model of all AI companies. It costs far more to run the datacenters and build more capacity than they could ever hope to make back at current pricing models. I'm looking forward to pricing to catch up with reality and the resulting chaos that ensues.
- razster 3mo ago
  Kind of how DeepSeek v4 dropped their pricing? I sense a shift which will hopefully bring lower and lower cost. Then again Qwen3.6 coding has been all I've needed for my projects and I'm perfectly fine with free.
  - leptons 3mo ago
    Are you paying attention? These companies are trying to get market share without being anywhere close to making a profit - they are heavily subsidized. Many hundreds of billions have already been spent and will continue to be spent until the stupid fucking investors realize they will never get their money back. I have no doubt that day is coming.
    - casey2 3mo ago
      Serious investors look 10 to 20 years in the future. Everyone used google and youtube in 2006, but youtube wasn't profitable til 2016. How could a business burning money by hosting video ever be profitable? Costs come down BUT THEY JUST ADDED 720p, cost comes down, BUT THEY ADDED 1080p, cost comes down, 4k! cost comes down. IMO the data from chats alone is worth $200B to Google.
      - CraigRood 3mo ago
        Not really a comparison when the spend on YouTube was x10 smaller, and Googles core business has always been profitable beyond any hobby spending on YouTube.
      - locusofself 3mo ago
rzmmm 3mo ago
Seems to me this is more honest than the Mythos claims a while ago. too powerful to release publicly. Too expensive?
- sebzim4500 3mo ago
  Didn't they admit this at the time? Cost was one of the reasons they gave for not immediately making it public.
bandrami 3mo ago
I was just thinking this reminds me of the scene in The Wire where Avon admits to D'Angelo that the new heroin is in fact just the old heroin with different baby powder cutting it.
voxic11 3mo ago
Or maybe its all about compute availability like they say. It could be that they plan to start training a new model on the 22ed, so the amount of compute available for inference will be greatly reduced.

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PeterStuer 3mo ago

I'll be amazed if they manage to keep their infra responsive over the next 2 weeks.

trollied 3mo ago
They just leased a massive spacex data centre.
- PeterStuer 3mo ago
  Even so. The 2 week period will predictably unleash a feeding frenzy. Limited "free" time is what game developers do if they want to stress test the infrastructure code until it breaks.
  - swader999 3mo ago
    Yeah that's how I'm using it right now. Smoke em while you got em...
kilroy123 3mo ago
I've been getting a lot of these messages today: API Error: Server is temporarily limiting requests (not your usage limit) · Rate limited
scamdrill 3mo ago
No issues that I've seen so far. Seems to be holding up for now.
fendy3002 3mo ago
Opus will be gutted furthermore. /s I feel 4.8 is very slow in last 2 days

linsomniac 3mo ago

I was just saying last week: If Opus 4.8 max is as good as we get, and we plateau there, I think I'd be fine with it. For the stuff I've thrown at it, that configuration has done a really great job. Including 70+KLOC go proxy with extensive test suite, some retro games, and more.

leptons 3mo ago

This is the entire business model of all AI companies. It costs far more to run the datacenters and build more capacity than they could ever hope to make back at current pricing models. I'm looking forward to pricing to catch up with reality and the resulting chaos that ensues.

razster 3mo ago
Kind of how DeepSeek v4 dropped their pricing? I sense a shift which will hopefully bring lower and lower cost. Then again Qwen3.6 coding has been all I've needed for my projects and I'm perfectly fine with free.
- leptons 3mo ago
  Are you paying attention? These companies are trying to get market share without being anywhere close to making a profit - they are heavily subsidized. Many hundreds of billions have already been spent and will continue to be spent until the stupid fucking investors realize they will never get their money back. I have no doubt that day is coming.
  - casey2 3mo ago
    Serious investors look 10 to 20 years in the future. Everyone used google and youtube in 2006, but youtube wasn't profitable til 2016. How could a business burning money by hosting video ever be profitable? Costs come down BUT THEY JUST ADDED 720p, cost comes down, BUT THEY ADDED 1080p, cost comes down, 4k! cost comes down. IMO the data from chats alone is worth $200B to Google.
    - CraigRood 3mo ago
      Not really a comparison when the spend on YouTube was x10 smaller, and Googles core business has always been profitable beyond any hobby spending on YouTube.
    - locusofself 3mo ago

rzmmm 3mo ago

Seems to me this is more honest than the Mythos claims a while ago. too powerful to release publicly. Too expensive?

sebzim4500 3mo ago
Didn't they admit this at the time? Cost was one of the reasons they gave for not immediately making it public.

bandrami 3mo ago

I was just thinking this reminds me of the scene in The Wire where Avon admits to D'Angelo that the new heroin is in fact just the old heroin with different baby powder cutting it.

voxic11 3mo ago

Or maybe its all about compute availability like they say. It could be that they plan to start training a new model on the 22ed, so the amount of compute available for inference will be greatly reduced.