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Seeing how we are responding to AI or the copilot button on pc's... I _dare_ to suggest this "Agentic era" is nothing more then wishful thinking. Not supported

by devn0ll 3mo ago

Seeing how we are responding to AI or the copilot button on pc's... I _dare_ to suggest this "Agentic era" is nothing more then wishful thinking. Not supported by any real wish or need on the consumer side. Well, at least for me: no thanks.

corv 3mo ago
Less space than a nomad. Lame. To be fair, I find the term to be as contrived as “performant”
tmaly 3mo ago
I had to buy a new washing machine last year. It has an AI mode, what ever that is. I have never used the mode.
- syberspace 3mo ago
  as far as I've understood the AI mode on my new-ish washing machine: it's just a renamed "automatic" mode that uses a sensor to measure how heavy the load is and adjusts the cycle length. there is absolutely no AI involved, just an if-statement or equivalent logic gates. I'd guess yours does something similar
  - jagged-chisel 3mo ago
    Literally, “simulated intelligence” at best. But for marketing, “artificial intelligence” is fine. And better than LLMs being called “AI”
    - ajam1507 3mo ago
      Surprising that there are still people who don't think LLMs qualify as AI
      - Octoth0rpe 3mo ago
        I think in some people's minds, the concept of sentience and intelligence are intertwined, and there are at least some people (myself included) who do not think they're the same. There is a strong (but surprisingly not universal) consensus that LLMs are not sentient, so if you insist that sentience/intelligence are the same thing, then LLMs don't qualify as AI either. If you think the two concepts are separable, then they're intelligent but not sentient. The devil is of course in the definitions.
  - Animats 3mo ago
    Washers now do have useful control systems. Mine starts out by spinning the tub a little, before adding water, to measure the load. Out of balance problems are a thing of the past - that's sensed and dealt with automatically. It's able to handle bed comforters or sneakers without problems. But it's not "AI", and it doesn't have a network connection.
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- andai 3mo ago
  On my walk today I passed an LG company van. It had an ad for one of their new AC units on the side. "AI Air"
  - throw-the-towel 3mo ago
    A bar I know had an "AI designed shot" back in 2023.
- forinti 3mo ago
  There's a billboard near my home with an ad for "AI designed glasses".
- squid_ca 3mo ago
  Mine too. I think it's just a buzzword, like, this would have been called "Smart Wash" five years ago.
XorNot 3mo ago
What you're not planning to upgrade from your Web 3.0 platform to an Agentic one? Scandalous!
Closi 3mo ago
> Seeing how we are responding to AI or the copilot button on pc's... I _dare_ to suggest this "Agentic era" is nothing more then wishful thinking Depends who 'we' is - I've seen plenty of non-tech people in the real world begin to use ChatGPT as a primary information source rather than the web (rightfully or not!) I suspect that 'we' might not be the true early adopters here, similar to how quite a lot of the most technical users in the 80's thought GUI's were a waste of time.
- Octoth0rpe 3mo ago
  > Depends who 'we' is - I've seen plenty of non-tech people in the real world begin to use ChatGPT as a primary information source rather than the web (rightfully or not!) I don't think that's really what people are talking about when they talk about 'agentic' PCs.
  - cromka 3mo ago
    I think that was example of how previously seemingly impossible things are happening things are happening quickly.
  - Closi 3mo ago
    I think we are more broadly talking about what the user interface is going to be in the future and how people will interact with a computer - many people already want to interact with ChatGPT to get answers rather than navigate to a website, or want to prompt ChatGPT to generate a leaflet rather than design one in Microsoft Word, so 'Agentic PCs' is just an extension to that.
- devn0ll 3mo ago
  > similar to how quite a lot of the most technical users in the 80's thought GUI's were a waste of time Well... They are! ;-) (It's a joke, but at the same time, I do see a terminal resurgence the past few years)
cromka 3mo ago
As much as I hate it, you and your opinion is exactly what Jobs always talked about: people don't need things until they realize they need them. You not envisioning use for it is just a past bias. You can't know that. You can't because we haven't yet reached the point where the OS is fully useful when controlled with AI.
- gedy 3mo ago
  But the industry types have been talking about "agents" for 30 years... This used to be a thing that "intelligent agents will go on the internet and gather information for you" then search engines came out and people were happy with that instead.
  - spankibalt 3mo ago
    Yeah, just a week ago I read an interview with Alan Kay from 1990, where he shared his thoughts about the third revolution in computing: the "intimate computer" (the agentic platform that follows the "institutional computer" and the "personal computer").
    - cromka 3mo ago
      Except it is only now when this is actually possible.
      - spankibalt 3mo ago
        Funnily enough, he spoke about one of his first "agentic computing" implementations: a computer agent of his he tasked with compiling a sort of newspaper for breakfast reading. It ran overnight for 12 to 15 hrs., and collated textual as well as graphical information from specified news resources and databases. That was ten years before the interview, in 1980. Sadly, the piece doesn't go into more detail on the setup or its performance metrics. He also mentioned that the idea of agentic computing was already 30 years old, and that he was busying himself with the topic for 15 years by then (1990). So... five years from taking interest (mid-70s) to his first practical implementations (1980).
georgeburdell 3mo ago
Agentic for most people should mean an easy way to fix what were previously missing UI features. Hopefully companies are (with permission) paying attention to user prompts in aggregate to guide UX work

by devn0ll 3mo ago

corv 3mo ago

Less space than a nomad. Lame. To be fair, I find the term to be as contrived as “performant”

tmaly 3mo ago

I had to buy a new washing machine last year. It has an AI mode, what ever that is. I have never used the mode.

syberspace 3mo ago
as far as I've understood the AI mode on my new-ish washing machine: it's just a renamed "automatic" mode that uses a sensor to measure how heavy the load is and adjusts the cycle length. there is absolutely no AI involved, just an if-statement or equivalent logic gates. I'd guess yours does something similar
- jagged-chisel 3mo ago
  Literally, “simulated intelligence” at best. But for marketing, “artificial intelligence” is fine. And better than LLMs being called “AI”
  - ajam1507 3mo ago
    Surprising that there are still people who don't think LLMs qualify as AI
    - Octoth0rpe 3mo ago
      I think in some people's minds, the concept of sentience and intelligence are intertwined, and there are at least some people (myself included) who do not think they're the same. There is a strong (but surprisingly not universal) consensus that LLMs are not sentient, so if you insist that sentience/intelligence are the same thing, then LLMs don't qualify as AI either. If you think the two concepts are separable, then they're intelligent but not sentient. The devil is of course in the definitions.
- Animats 3mo ago
  Washers now do have useful control systems. Mine starts out by spinning the tub a little, before adding water, to measure the load. Out of balance problems are a thing of the past - that's sensed and dealt with automatically. It's able to handle bed comforters or sneakers without problems. But it's not "AI", and it doesn't have a network connection.
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andai 3mo ago
On my walk today I passed an LG company van. It had an ad for one of their new AC units on the side. "AI Air"
- throw-the-towel 3mo ago
  A bar I know had an "AI designed shot" back in 2023.
forinti 3mo ago
There's a billboard near my home with an ad for "AI designed glasses".
squid_ca 3mo ago
Mine too. I think it's just a buzzword, like, this would have been called "Smart Wash" five years ago.

XorNot 3mo ago

What you're not planning to upgrade from your Web 3.0 platform to an Agentic one? Scandalous!

Closi 3mo ago

> Seeing how we are responding to AI or the copilot button on pc's... I _dare_ to suggest this "Agentic era" is nothing more then wishful thinking Depends who 'we' is - I've seen plenty of non-tech people in the real world begin to use ChatGPT as a primary information source rather than the web (rightfully or not!) I suspect that 'we' might not be the true early adopters here, similar to how quite a lot of the most technical users in the 80's thought GUI's were a waste of time.

Octoth0rpe 3mo ago
> Depends who 'we' is - I've seen plenty of non-tech people in the real world begin to use ChatGPT as a primary information source rather than the web (rightfully or not!) I don't think that's really what people are talking about when they talk about 'agentic' PCs.
- cromka 3mo ago
  I think that was example of how previously seemingly impossible things are happening things are happening quickly.
- Closi 3mo ago
  I think we are more broadly talking about what the user interface is going to be in the future and how people will interact with a computer - many people already want to interact with ChatGPT to get answers rather than navigate to a website, or want to prompt ChatGPT to generate a leaflet rather than design one in Microsoft Word, so 'Agentic PCs' is just an extension to that.
devn0ll 3mo ago
> similar to how quite a lot of the most technical users in the 80's thought GUI's were a waste of time Well... They are! ;-) (It's a joke, but at the same time, I do see a terminal resurgence the past few years)

cromka 3mo ago

As much as I hate it, you and your opinion is exactly what Jobs always talked about: people don't need things until they realize they need them. You not envisioning use for it is just a past bias. You can't know that. You can't because we haven't yet reached the point where the OS is fully useful when controlled with AI.

gedy 3mo ago
But the industry types have been talking about "agents" for 30 years... This used to be a thing that "intelligent agents will go on the internet and gather information for you" then search engines came out and people were happy with that instead.
- spankibalt 3mo ago
  Yeah, just a week ago I read an interview with Alan Kay from 1990, where he shared his thoughts about the third revolution in computing: the "intimate computer" (the agentic platform that follows the "institutional computer" and the "personal computer").
  - cromka 3mo ago
    Except it is only now when this is actually possible.
    - spankibalt 3mo ago
      Funnily enough, he spoke about one of his first "agentic computing" implementations: a computer agent of his he tasked with compiling a sort of newspaper for breakfast reading. It ran overnight for 12 to 15 hrs., and collated textual as well as graphical information from specified news resources and databases. That was ten years before the interview, in 1980. Sadly, the piece doesn't go into more detail on the setup or its performance metrics. He also mentioned that the idea of agentic computing was already 30 years old, and that he was busying himself with the topic for 15 years by then (1990). So... five years from taking interest (mid-70s) to his first practical implementations (1980).

georgeburdell 3mo ago

Agentic for most people should mean an easy way to fix what were previously missing UI features. Hopefully companies are (with permission) paying attention to user prompts in aggregate to guide UX work