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Which means more Grok degradation, more severe throttling, etc. I can't understand why xAI charges 50% more per month for Grok over competitors when it doesn't
by wnmurphy 3mo ago
Which means more Grok degradation, more severe throttling, etc.
I can't understand why xAI charges 50% more per month for Grok over competitors when it doesn't even gracefully downgrade to a cheaper model when paid subscribers hit the limit.
- 9dev 3mo agoWhy would you even want to use that dumpster fire of a model in the first place..?
- mschuster91 3mo agoProbably because it has all but zero filters on the input and output. It took widespread media outrage about "grok show me her in a bikini" to at least create a filter that bans such things. [1] https://counterhate.com/research/grok-floods-x-with-sexualized-images/ https://counterhate.com/research/grok-floods-x-with-sexualiz...
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- Analemma_ 3mo agoDoes the thing where it wanted to move every conversation onto the topic of "white genocide in South Africa" not count as a filter on the output?
- root-parent 3mo agoWho uses Grok? Not even SpaceX engineers that is known...
- guywithahat 3mo agoI've used/use it. For a while it had one of the best lightweight coding LLM's, which actually lead to a #1 spot on openrouter usage ranking although they've fallen off the top 10 used now. It's also provided some good reasoning models, which perform better when dealing with non-PC topics. Also, although I've never used it for this, I believe some of the paid models produce some of the best "adult" content, and I know there are even subreddits which do nothing but praise Grok and "content" produces who use it.
- yread 3mo ago[flagged]
- guywithahat 3mo agoWithout giving too many details I thought it would be fun to make 2D games based off of banned books (sort of as a marketing ploy, paradoxically everybody likes banned books). Camp of the saints seemed like a good target, which is a fictional book based in 1980's France dealing with incoming flotillas of immigration. I found that ChatGPT would push back on the premise of the novel instead of coding, while grok models just called things "edgy" and went to work. I have more examples (mostly dealing with realtime web filtering) but that's the immediate one that comes to mind.
- nikcub 3mo ago> which actually lead to a #1 spot on openrouter usage that was only because it was free
- infecto 3mo ago+1. The coding model was fine and it was fast but the fact that it was free was a massive boost.
- rootusrootus 3mo agoTesla drivers, at least for a few minutes each day before hitting the limit.
- brianwawok 3mo agoI am a Tesla driver and I never knew it had a limit, which tells you how much I use it.
- rootusrootus 3mo agoA surprising number of people have conversations with Grok every day and hit the limit in a hurry. Not my thing, either.
- glimshe 3mo agoGrok is pretty good. It really excels when the results can be improved by deep online search. It tends to be more aggressive in looking things up than competitors. I use it in certain situations.
- sheepscreek 3mo agoIt’s exceptionally fast at it too. I love using it for looking up things where recency matters.
- cherry_tree 3mo ago[flagged]
- gitaarik 3mo agoThat's maybe a bit of an unfair, out-of-balance comment. Google Gemini had it's own fails on the other side of the extreme. Both have corrected themselves. Don't keep coming up with old stuff.
- cherry_tree 3mo ago[flagged]
- gitaarik 3mo agoI'm not saying that, it's the opposite: Gemini generated too-woke images, like all images of people was like at least 50% colored, no matter what, even if you asked it to generate images of German World War 2 soldiers, it mostly generated black people in nazi uniforms.
- cherry_tree 3mo agoYour replies are non-sequitors to the discussion in this thread. Statement “I use grok to consume current events” Response “grok is not a reliable source for information, especially current events or politics” Your response “but Gemini generated images that right wingers didn’t like” Ok? Are those images the news? Is that a way to consume current events? Do you think I’m a proponent of people using LLMs to digest current events and am only against grok specifically? What exactly is your argument against mine (that grok shouldn’t be used to consume current events). Are you agreeing? Or are you suggesting that people should use grok for current events because Gemini produced images you didn’t like?
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- tristanj 3mo agoGrok is the best for researching recent events and real-time information. All the other AIs have a learning date cut-off too far in the past. Claude accuses me of hallucinating events that happened the day before, and it's quite annoying.
- no-name-here 3mo agoGemini, Claude, and ChatGPT all offer web search integrations in order to get recent data. Grok 3 and Grok 4 have a 2024 knowledge cutoff. https://docs.x.ai/developers/models https://docs.x.ai/developers/models
- tristanj 3mo agoGrok has access to the X firehouse, and gives context on realtime events much better than the models you listed. I wish Meta made their own AI/search model because they probably have the best data source.
- paulpauper 3mo agoThey already make it required to have a premium X account Claude has tons of throttling already. Chat GPT is not as accurate at computational problems despite less throttling. Gemini has fewest restrictions but worse quality. Always a tradeoff.
- JumpCrisscross 3mo ago> can't understand why xAI charges 50% more per month for Grok over competitors One potential read is xAI knows Grok isn't going to be a Tier 1 model. So while SpaceX focusses on infrastructure, Grok bets its users like its model enough that they'll pay a premium for it, even if this curtails growth prospects.