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There are millions of people making music in an ever-expanding set of genres. The idea that no one is making 80s or 90s style music is absurd. I guess she can l

by vlunkr 4mo ago

There are millions of people making music in an ever-expanding set of genres. The idea that no one is making 80s or 90s style music is absurd. I guess she can listen to slop but maybe just look around a little instead? Edit: slop not slob

_carbyau_ 4mo ago
> just look around a little instead? This seems harder than you suggest. I suggest things to my streaming platform and it reverts to what I call "cruisy shit" within 5-10 songs as though it's playing a game of "6 degrees" between my chosen starting point and what it wants to play. For me, "The Algorithm To Engage" is more of a "the beatings will continue until morale improves Algorithm".
glitcher 4mo ago
I agree with you when it comes to my own process of finding new music, but the example given was a lot more specific than just 80s/90s music. Who’s to say that person didn’t do extensive searches before using Suno? Sounds more like the classic discoverabity problem big platforms continue to do poorly with to me. But I agree with the sentiment, great stuff by real artists is out there if you’re able to find it.
echelon 4mo ago
> The idea that no one is making 80s or 90s style music is absurd. The idea that only humans can make music is absurd. > I guess she can listen to slob but maybe just look around a little instead? The idea that AI generated = slop is absurd. Humans create just as much, if not more slop. Look at 99% of "professional" output in creative fields. It's awful. A human with taste steering AI tools can be better than a "classical" human with hard skills but no taste. The old world is going to be run over: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWZYP5jn5w4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWZYP5jn5w4 Completely. Run. Over.
- zfoong 4mo ago
  Rather than genuinely enjoying a well-made/actually entertaining AI content, people are just gonna blindly hate on anything AI-generated.
  - platevoltage 4mo ago
    As they should. AI can't create art, because AI doesn't have a sense of expression.
    - userbinator 4mo ago
      You're right, there's always a human driving the AI to create art.
    - echelon 4mo ago
      Good thing humans know how to use AI and make kick ass content with it. AI is a tool. Artists and engineers using AI as a tool can get further than people not using it at all.
      - platevoltage 4mo ago
        Are you an artist by chance?
  - harimau777 4mo ago
    Until AI companies pay for all the content that they stole, I think that is a reasonable response.
    - userbinator 4mo ago
      Until humans pay for all the "content that they stole" and learned from, I think that is reasonable response.
    - dahrkael 4mo ago
      AceStep XL is a music generation model trained on an open dataset. is the content generated with that one okay with you then?
- vlunkr 4mo ago
  Was that video supposed to convince us that AI music is good?
- userbinator 4mo ago
  I did not expect that one to show up here on HN, but it's definitely a human artist using AI. He has a few others which are just as entertaining.
- halestock 4mo ago
  Huh, I wonder what happens when people stop making real music for AIs to train on, then.
- Griffinsauce 4mo ago
  Run over in what way?
  - jeltz 4mo ago
    In that the avalance of slop will make it impossible to find quality stuff, human or AI.
  - hooverd 4mo ago
    Like the levees surrounding a lagoon of pig shit in the South breaking and flooding the nearby community.
- f4 4mo ago
  That video isn't helping your case. That's not to say you can't make effortful novel content using AI, but this is just lazy hollow stimulation. Like all the laziest of AMVs, nothing to say outside of "isn't this cool?". We want to see the person underneath and what ideas they explore through the medium - AI is just a fancy new tool of the times. Who cares what brush or canvas Vincent used to make Starry Night? Without his name on it, it's just another oil painting.
  - echelon 4mo ago
    I don't have to convince the lot of you anti-tech "yelling at cloud" engineers. Social media already shows people love this stuff. It's only the 1% of terminally online whiners that have to project their take on it. And I've worked with enough artists that kick ass with these tools to know this is the new normal.
    - f4 4mo ago
      Hype for the tool is, and forever will be, cringy. People are too busy praising the fact that it exists that they miss what artists are doing with it. I like the fun skits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI9Rx5DqTvA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI9Rx5DqTvA and interesting projects https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1pt19u6/timetomove_wan_22_test/ https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1pt19u6/ti... People on social media follow creators who make novel content irrespective of how they made it. AI generated content will always be lower quality because the entry level is literacy, hence YouTube intervention with their "it's probably not worth your time" label.
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hombre_fatal 4mo ago
It's not just look around a little. It's look around a lot. It's spend all your music-listening time looking around. Have the ick for AI-gen, fine. But dismissing the things it solves puts you in a position where you'll never understand other people.
- smohare 4mo ago
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- vlunkr 4mo ago
  You can spend your time looking for music or you can spend it prompting Suno. Personally I'll always take the former, I enjoy it, but to each their own.
- Barbing 4mo ago
  > It's spend all your music-listening time looking around. Spotify algorithm not kind to everyone I suppose… I’m enough of a normie with music it works for me. Crate digging doesn’t feel too time consuming at all (as easy as throwing on quirky California college radio stations).
  - a57721 4mo ago
    > quirky California college radio stations I listen to SomaFM (https://somafm.com/ https://somafm.com/) and FIP (https://www.radiofrance.fr/fip https://www.radiofrance.fr/fip), they have online streams by genre. When something gets me interested, I look up the artist, and I keep discovering lots of new names, independent labels, etc.
  - dahrkael 4mo ago
    Spotify is full of AI songs so not a good alternative in this case
    - Cthulhu_ 4mo ago
      It can be, but you'll need to look up the human made / curated playlists; definitely avoid Spotify's own (as they've been seeding them with their own songs for a while now, even before AI), and don't enable the auto mixing / radio feature.
giancarlostoro 4mo ago
"Slob" / "slop" is thrown around so much I don't take anyone seriously who drops that word unless the output matches the commentary. There's definitely a lot of trash AI stuff out there don't get me wrong, but there's also insanely high quality AI generated things out there. Hell, I've sent people songs made in Suno, and they were surprised to learn that those were AI generated. If you open suno and type in "90s jazz song" then yeah, you're likely going to get a bit of generic AI slop. If you get into specifics, voice style, instrument types, how they're played, which chords, etc. You can get some insanely high quality music. Not only that but Suno has a whole DAW style extension to it they call Suno Studio which is very powerful, you can get AI stems, you can add your own voice. Someone could get studio quality tracks for $10 a month, and add their own vocals and have a high quality sounding song. Is it slop if you pour hours of work into it tweaking every detail? At that point using a DAW is slop then (which I'm sure some people hate music made that way, but a lot of music is made this way).
- platevoltage 4mo ago
  I just don't get it. Music isn't just what comes out of the speaker. There are artists, with lives and influences behind the music. There is personal expression in the lyrics. Even when the artist chooses to remain anonymous, or they choose to not have lyrics at all, there is still something personal behind it. A DAW is just a tool, and it's a tool that can be used badly, for example, over produced metal with quantized and sample replaced drums. Sure, AI can be a tool for music production just like a DAW can, but when it crosses the line into, lets call it "vibe-produced" music, it is indeed slop, and deserves to be referred to as such.
  - vlunkr 4mo ago
    Yeah this is how I feel. People who like AI music seem to be a same people who would just throw on random "deep work" or "lofi" youtube playlists and let them run all day. That has never appealed to me. I like to learn about the artists and history.
  - latentsea 4mo ago
    > There is personal expression in the lyrics. Sometimes there is. Sometimes it's just made up shit with no real backing in the same way a lot of stories told in comedy routines are. Not all of it is genuine expression. I love music and I frequently go to live shows, so the bar for me has kind of become "Can I go see this artist live, OR is it so good that I don't care that I can't?" If it passes that, I'll listen. I've found one AI generated song that has made it onto my top 100 favorite songs I've ever heard. The thing that really shits me with AI music is when it outputs default ChatGPT sounding lyrics. There's certain tells and boy do they give me the ick.
harimau777 4mo ago
Where would you look around? Previously web search, YouTube, and Reddit would have been my go to but they have all been enshittified.
- vlunkr 4mo ago
  I’ve had good luck with gnoosic. Or taking artists I like as a starting point and finding out who influenced them, and who they influenced.
  - platevoltage 4mo ago
    I always found Last.fm great for this. I have no idea what it's like now.
- latentsea 4mo ago
  YouTube is excellent. Aside from my main account I have one that I mainly just use to listen to music, and I just surf the algorithm listening to whatever is in the recommend list, which is usually a handful of songs I've got on heavy rotation, but YouTube also tends to cycle back some old favorites, and some new gems. I just keep surfing it day in day out letting it take me where it will as one of two main ways I listen to music. I regularly find new gems pretty reliably. All the gems then go to my playlist in Spotify, which I listen to during my commute.
NexRebular 4mo ago
> The idea that no one is making 80s or 90s style music is absurd You can see new releases almost daily on e.g. NewRetroWave[0]. [0] https://www.youtube.com/newretrowave https://www.youtube.com/newretrowave

by vlunkr 4mo ago

_carbyau_ 4mo ago

> just look around a little instead? This seems harder than you suggest. I suggest things to my streaming platform and it reverts to what I call "cruisy shit" within 5-10 songs as though it's playing a game of "6 degrees" between my chosen starting point and what it wants to play. For me, "The Algorithm To Engage" is more of a "the beatings will continue until morale improves Algorithm".

glitcher 4mo ago

I agree with you when it comes to my own process of finding new music, but the example given was a lot more specific than just 80s/90s music. Who’s to say that person didn’t do extensive searches before using Suno? Sounds more like the classic discoverabity problem big platforms continue to do poorly with to me. But I agree with the sentiment, great stuff by real artists is out there if you’re able to find it.

echelon 4mo ago

> The idea that no one is making 80s or 90s style music is absurd. The idea that only humans can make music is absurd. > I guess she can listen to slob but maybe just look around a little instead? The idea that AI generated = slop is absurd. Humans create just as much, if not more slop. Look at 99% of "professional" output in creative fields. It's awful. A human with taste steering AI tools can be better than a "classical" human with hard skills but no taste. The old world is going to be run over: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWZYP5jn5w4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWZYP5jn5w4 Completely. Run. Over.

zfoong 4mo ago
Rather than genuinely enjoying a well-made/actually entertaining AI content, people are just gonna blindly hate on anything AI-generated.
- platevoltage 4mo ago
  As they should. AI can't create art, because AI doesn't have a sense of expression.
  - userbinator 4mo ago
    You're right, there's always a human driving the AI to create art.
  - echelon 4mo ago
    Good thing humans know how to use AI and make kick ass content with it. AI is a tool. Artists and engineers using AI as a tool can get further than people not using it at all.
    - platevoltage 4mo ago
      Are you an artist by chance?
- harimau777 4mo ago
  Until AI companies pay for all the content that they stole, I think that is a reasonable response.
  - userbinator 4mo ago
    Until humans pay for all the "content that they stole" and learned from, I think that is reasonable response.
  - dahrkael 4mo ago
    AceStep XL is a music generation model trained on an open dataset. is the content generated with that one okay with you then?
vlunkr 4mo ago
Was that video supposed to convince us that AI music is good?
userbinator 4mo ago
I did not expect that one to show up here on HN, but it's definitely a human artist using AI. He has a few others which are just as entertaining.
halestock 4mo ago
Huh, I wonder what happens when people stop making real music for AIs to train on, then.
Griffinsauce 4mo ago
Run over in what way?
- jeltz 4mo ago
  In that the avalance of slop will make it impossible to find quality stuff, human or AI.
- hooverd 4mo ago
  Like the levees surrounding a lagoon of pig shit in the South breaking and flooding the nearby community.
f4 4mo ago
That video isn't helping your case. That's not to say you can't make effortful novel content using AI, but this is just lazy hollow stimulation. Like all the laziest of AMVs, nothing to say outside of "isn't this cool?". We want to see the person underneath and what ideas they explore through the medium - AI is just a fancy new tool of the times. Who cares what brush or canvas Vincent used to make Starry Night? Without his name on it, it's just another oil painting.
- echelon 4mo ago
  I don't have to convince the lot of you anti-tech "yelling at cloud" engineers. Social media already shows people love this stuff. It's only the 1% of terminally online whiners that have to project their take on it. And I've worked with enough artists that kick ass with these tools to know this is the new normal.
  - f4 4mo ago
    Hype for the tool is, and forever will be, cringy. People are too busy praising the fact that it exists that they miss what artists are doing with it. I like the fun skits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI9Rx5DqTvA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI9Rx5DqTvA and interesting projects https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1pt19u6/timetomove_wan_22_test/ https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1pt19u6/ti... People on social media follow creators who make novel content irrespective of how they made it. AI generated content will always be lower quality because the entry level is literacy, hence YouTube intervention with their "it's probably not worth your time" label.
  - deleted 4mo ago
    [deleted]

hombre_fatal 4mo ago

It's not just look around a little. It's look around a lot. It's spend all your music-listening time looking around. Have the ick for AI-gen, fine. But dismissing the things it solves puts you in a position where you'll never understand other people.

smohare 4mo ago
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vlunkr 4mo ago
You can spend your time looking for music or you can spend it prompting Suno. Personally I'll always take the former, I enjoy it, but to each their own.
Barbing 4mo ago
> It's spend all your music-listening time looking around. Spotify algorithm not kind to everyone I suppose… I’m enough of a normie with music it works for me. Crate digging doesn’t feel too time consuming at all (as easy as throwing on quirky California college radio stations).
- a57721 4mo ago
  > quirky California college radio stations I listen to SomaFM (https://somafm.com/ https://somafm.com/) and FIP (https://www.radiofrance.fr/fip https://www.radiofrance.fr/fip), they have online streams by genre. When something gets me interested, I look up the artist, and I keep discovering lots of new names, independent labels, etc.
- dahrkael 4mo ago
  Spotify is full of AI songs so not a good alternative in this case
  - Cthulhu_ 4mo ago
    It can be, but you'll need to look up the human made / curated playlists; definitely avoid Spotify's own (as they've been seeding them with their own songs for a while now, even before AI), and don't enable the auto mixing / radio feature.

giancarlostoro 4mo ago

"Slob" / "slop" is thrown around so much I don't take anyone seriously who drops that word unless the output matches the commentary. There's definitely a lot of trash AI stuff out there don't get me wrong, but there's also insanely high quality AI generated things out there. Hell, I've sent people songs made in Suno, and they were surprised to learn that those were AI generated. If you open suno and type in "90s jazz song" then yeah, you're likely going to get a bit of generic AI slop. If you get into specifics, voice style, instrument types, how they're played, which chords, etc. You can get some insanely high quality music. Not only that but Suno has a whole DAW style extension to it they call Suno Studio which is very powerful, you can get AI stems, you can add your own voice. Someone could get studio quality tracks for $10 a month, and add their own vocals and have a high quality sounding song. Is it slop if you pour hours of work into it tweaking every detail? At that point using a DAW is slop then (which I'm sure some people hate music made that way, but a lot of music is made this way).

platevoltage 4mo ago
I just don't get it. Music isn't just what comes out of the speaker. There are artists, with lives and influences behind the music. There is personal expression in the lyrics. Even when the artist chooses to remain anonymous, or they choose to not have lyrics at all, there is still something personal behind it. A DAW is just a tool, and it's a tool that can be used badly, for example, over produced metal with quantized and sample replaced drums. Sure, AI can be a tool for music production just like a DAW can, but when it crosses the line into, lets call it "vibe-produced" music, it is indeed slop, and deserves to be referred to as such.
- vlunkr 4mo ago
  Yeah this is how I feel. People who like AI music seem to be a same people who would just throw on random "deep work" or "lofi" youtube playlists and let them run all day. That has never appealed to me. I like to learn about the artists and history.
- latentsea 4mo ago
  > There is personal expression in the lyrics. Sometimes there is. Sometimes it's just made up shit with no real backing in the same way a lot of stories told in comedy routines are. Not all of it is genuine expression. I love music and I frequently go to live shows, so the bar for me has kind of become "Can I go see this artist live, OR is it so good that I don't care that I can't?" If it passes that, I'll listen. I've found one AI generated song that has made it onto my top 100 favorite songs I've ever heard. The thing that really shits me with AI music is when it outputs default ChatGPT sounding lyrics. There's certain tells and boy do they give me the ick.

harimau777 4mo ago

Where would you look around? Previously web search, YouTube, and Reddit would have been my go to but they have all been enshittified.

vlunkr 4mo ago
I’ve had good luck with gnoosic. Or taking artists I like as a starting point and finding out who influenced them, and who they influenced.
- platevoltage 4mo ago
  I always found Last.fm great for this. I have no idea what it's like now.
latentsea 4mo ago
YouTube is excellent. Aside from my main account I have one that I mainly just use to listen to music, and I just surf the algorithm listening to whatever is in the recommend list, which is usually a handful of songs I've got on heavy rotation, but YouTube also tends to cycle back some old favorites, and some new gems. I just keep surfing it day in day out letting it take me where it will as one of two main ways I listen to music. I regularly find new gems pretty reliably. All the gems then go to my playlist in Spotify, which I listen to during my commute.

NexRebular 4mo ago

> The idea that no one is making 80s or 90s style music is absurd You can see new releases almost daily on e.g. NewRetroWave[0]. [0] https://www.youtube.com/newretrowave https://www.youtube.com/newretrowave