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Are they running paid marketing campaigns for Gitlab ?

by sibidharan 4mo ago

EduardoBautista 4mo ago
I'd consider self-hosting GitHub Enterprise before putting my team through the pain of Gitlab.
- ricardbejarano 4mo ago
  How is it painful to use GitLab? Curious, as a user of both, I find them both nice. I like GitLab CI/CD more than I do GHA, but that's personal preference/bias more than anything objective.
  - tux3 4mo ago
    Gitlab CI has some tech debt from accumulating geological layers of different ways to do things, but overall it's pretty good, it scales to more complicated setups, and it's not too painful. Now the best way to use GHA is to do the bare minimum. Put all your CI logic in a script that you can test locally, and just have GHA run your script. Even that is painful. And, somehow, impossible to make secure without having spent 5,000 hours reading all the previous ways people got pwn'd by Github Action's horrendous security model. My main problem with Gitlab is that after years I still can't find what I'm looking for in the UI. It's always exactly in the third place I look. Otherwise Gitlab has been good. Even self-hosted works pretty well.
    - dijksterhuis 4mo ago
      expanding on the parent a little * GiLab — Ops centric * GitHub — Developer centric if you just want somewhere to stick a code repo and build a release every so often — dont use gitlab, you will not enjoy it. > My main problem with Gitlab is that after years I still can't find what I'm looking for in the UI. i still get lost too after several years daily driving gitlab. this is the Ops centric thing. they provide a lot of options. lots of options is good for Ops. > Now the best way to use GHA is to do the bare minimum yeah, i’m an ops guy, so the maintaining custom actions stuff on github is horrible for me vs click a button and move on with my day — once i find the button that is! xD
      - 000ooo000 4mo ago
        >GitHub — Developer centric I'm looking at the branch listing and I can't see a single hash. I dunno who GitHub is for but it isn't devs.
  - EduardoBautista 4mo ago
    Everything about their UI/UX screams of doing the bare minimum to check off a box on a feature list. It reminds me of Jira.
    - nucleardog 4mo ago
      As a daily GitLab user, I'd say that would be the main criticism I could levy at it as well. It does feel like there are a number of "and the kitchen sink" type features that are just there to check a box in a RFP or something. That said, are the majority of people actually even _using_ those features? For us we're essentially just using GitLab for git, merge requests, and CI pipelines. A couple places we use the static page hosting. (First thing I do whenever I create a new repository is go into the settings and just uncheck _all_ the boxes.) All of that core functionality works really well and is more than polished enough from my point of view.
  - IshKebab 4mo ago
    Gitlab is pretty decent. Honestly I would say there's not much between GitHub and Gitlab. Gitlab's CI is more powerful than GitHub's IMO, but the UX is a bit worse. But it's really marginal. They're both slow and have tons of long-standing missing features. But they're ok. I'd definitely rather use Gitea/Gogs/Forgejo, and maybe Tangled if it supported normal setups (e.g. private repos).
ramon156 4mo ago
Self-hosting forgejo under tailscale + mirroring public repos through GitHub Has worked wonders for me :)
- varun_ch 4mo ago
  Forgejo is fantastic. I do think it could use a fresh coat of paint from a designer but it’s otherwise really good. Gitea (what Forgejo forked from) recently stole the sidebar on repos from GitHub and I think that would be great for Forgejo to steal too… Forgejo themed by Codeberg: https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo (the codeberg theme is extremely low contrast) Forgejo default: https://v15.next.forgejo.org/pparaxan/quark https://v15.next.forgejo.org/pparaxan/quark Forgejo themed by Lix: https://git.lix.systems/lix-project/lix https://git.lix.systems/lix-project/lix Gitea: https://gitea.com/gitea/awesome-gitea https://gitea.com/gitea/awesome-gitea Gitea themed by Blender: https://projects.blender.org/blender/blender https://projects.blender.org/blender/blender I personally like Blender’s Gitea theme better than the rest but I guess that’s subjective. In dark mode I do not like the low contrast Codeberg theme or the default Forgejo theme, but all of the instances custom themes look great. As far as Git forges go in general though.. tangled is very pretty https://tangled.org/tangled.org/core https://tangled.org/tangled.org/core I think more power user oriented software should be comfortable with compact interfaces
  - maxfurman 4mo ago
    That Blender Gitea theme is really nice! I wonder why exactly it's so much easier on the eyes? In a lot of ways all of these are "just Github" with minor changes, so the one that is actually better really stands out.
    - cyberpunk 4mo ago
      I like it too, is it available for download anywhere?
      - cyberpunk 4mo ago
KptMarchewa 4mo ago
It's so unfortunate that Gitlab is a complete mess, that GitHub has no real competition now. I can only think that few months to a year from now there will be _something_ that works on an enterprise scale.
- xnorswap 4mo ago
  Have you forgotten about Azure Dev Ops aka Visual Studio Team System aka Team Foundation Server*? Yes, it's still Microsoft, but they've forgotten about it, so it runs entirely adequately and is actually a surprisingly okay github replacement. It does nothing special, but it does do everything, just in a way you often would rather it wouldn't. It doesn't have the flexibility of JIRA for the ticketing, and the deployment machinery doesn't have the fanciness ( and vendor threat ) of chaining github actions, but it does handle both. I haven't used gitlab, so I'm curious to hear what makes it a "complete mess" too. * Microsoft's headless chicken naming strategy in full force, it's a miracle they haven't yet renamed and rebranded it to align with copilot yet.
  - zdragnar 4mo ago
    One does not mention TFS in polite company
  - manytimesaway 4mo ago
    Don't forget CodePlex!
  - KptMarchewa 4mo ago
    Only alternative outside of GitHub and GitLab I've used was Bitbucket, and it was worse - but this was time when GitHub was good.
    - kevin_thibedeau 4mo ago
      There are plenty of open source forges with a better UX.

Are they running paid marketing campaigns for Gitlab ?

EduardoBautista 4mo ago

I'd consider self-hosting GitHub Enterprise before putting my team through the pain of Gitlab.

ricardbejarano 4mo ago
How is it painful to use GitLab? Curious, as a user of both, I find them both nice. I like GitLab CI/CD more than I do GHA, but that's personal preference/bias more than anything objective.
- tux3 4mo ago
  Gitlab CI has some tech debt from accumulating geological layers of different ways to do things, but overall it's pretty good, it scales to more complicated setups, and it's not too painful. Now the best way to use GHA is to do the bare minimum. Put all your CI logic in a script that you can test locally, and just have GHA run your script. Even that is painful. And, somehow, impossible to make secure without having spent 5,000 hours reading all the previous ways people got pwn'd by Github Action's horrendous security model. My main problem with Gitlab is that after years I still can't find what I'm looking for in the UI. It's always exactly in the third place I look. Otherwise Gitlab has been good. Even self-hosted works pretty well.
  - dijksterhuis 4mo ago
    expanding on the parent a little * GiLab — Ops centric * GitHub — Developer centric if you just want somewhere to stick a code repo and build a release every so often — dont use gitlab, you will not enjoy it. > My main problem with Gitlab is that after years I still can't find what I'm looking for in the UI. i still get lost too after several years daily driving gitlab. this is the Ops centric thing. they provide a lot of options. lots of options is good for Ops. > Now the best way to use GHA is to do the bare minimum yeah, i’m an ops guy, so the maintaining custom actions stuff on github is horrible for me vs click a button and move on with my day — once i find the button that is! xD
    - 000ooo000 4mo ago
      >GitHub — Developer centric I'm looking at the branch listing and I can't see a single hash. I dunno who GitHub is for but it isn't devs.
- EduardoBautista 4mo ago
  Everything about their UI/UX screams of doing the bare minimum to check off a box on a feature list. It reminds me of Jira.
  - nucleardog 4mo ago
    As a daily GitLab user, I'd say that would be the main criticism I could levy at it as well. It does feel like there are a number of "and the kitchen sink" type features that are just there to check a box in a RFP or something. That said, are the majority of people actually even _using_ those features? For us we're essentially just using GitLab for git, merge requests, and CI pipelines. A couple places we use the static page hosting. (First thing I do whenever I create a new repository is go into the settings and just uncheck _all_ the boxes.) All of that core functionality works really well and is more than polished enough from my point of view.
- IshKebab 4mo ago
  Gitlab is pretty decent. Honestly I would say there's not much between GitHub and Gitlab. Gitlab's CI is more powerful than GitHub's IMO, but the UX is a bit worse. But it's really marginal. They're both slow and have tons of long-standing missing features. But they're ok. I'd definitely rather use Gitea/Gogs/Forgejo, and maybe Tangled if it supported normal setups (e.g. private repos).

ramon156 4mo ago

Self-hosting forgejo under tailscale + mirroring public repos through GitHub Has worked wonders for me :)

varun_ch 4mo ago
Forgejo is fantastic. I do think it could use a fresh coat of paint from a designer but it’s otherwise really good. Gitea (what Forgejo forked from) recently stole the sidebar on repos from GitHub and I think that would be great for Forgejo to steal too… Forgejo themed by Codeberg: https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo (the codeberg theme is extremely low contrast) Forgejo default: https://v15.next.forgejo.org/pparaxan/quark https://v15.next.forgejo.org/pparaxan/quark Forgejo themed by Lix: https://git.lix.systems/lix-project/lix https://git.lix.systems/lix-project/lix Gitea: https://gitea.com/gitea/awesome-gitea https://gitea.com/gitea/awesome-gitea Gitea themed by Blender: https://projects.blender.org/blender/blender https://projects.blender.org/blender/blender I personally like Blender’s Gitea theme better than the rest but I guess that’s subjective. In dark mode I do not like the low contrast Codeberg theme or the default Forgejo theme, but all of the instances custom themes look great. As far as Git forges go in general though.. tangled is very pretty https://tangled.org/tangled.org/core https://tangled.org/tangled.org/core I think more power user oriented software should be comfortable with compact interfaces
- maxfurman 4mo ago
  That Blender Gitea theme is really nice! I wonder why exactly it's so much easier on the eyes? In a lot of ways all of these are "just Github" with minor changes, so the one that is actually better really stands out.
  - cyberpunk 4mo ago
    I like it too, is it available for download anywhere?
    - cyberpunk 4mo ago

KptMarchewa 4mo ago

It's so unfortunate that Gitlab is a complete mess, that GitHub has no real competition now. I can only think that few months to a year from now there will be _something_ that works on an enterprise scale.

xnorswap 4mo ago
Have you forgotten about Azure Dev Ops aka Visual Studio Team System aka Team Foundation Server*? Yes, it's still Microsoft, but they've forgotten about it, so it runs entirely adequately and is actually a surprisingly okay github replacement. It does nothing special, but it does do everything, just in a way you often would rather it wouldn't. It doesn't have the flexibility of JIRA for the ticketing, and the deployment machinery doesn't have the fanciness ( and vendor threat ) of chaining github actions, but it does handle both. I haven't used gitlab, so I'm curious to hear what makes it a "complete mess" too. * Microsoft's headless chicken naming strategy in full force, it's a miracle they haven't yet renamed and rebranded it to align with copilot yet.
- zdragnar 4mo ago
  One does not mention TFS in polite company
- manytimesaway 4mo ago
  Don't forget CodePlex!
- KptMarchewa 4mo ago
  Only alternative outside of GitHub and GitLab I've used was Bitbucket, and it was worse - but this was time when GitHub was good.
  - kevin_thibedeau 4mo ago
    There are plenty of open source forges with a better UX.