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Turing was half right. Pass his test and you haven't proven a machine can think — you've proven it can make us think it does. That's a far more dangerous thing

by FfejL 4mo ago

Turing was half right. Pass his test and you haven't proven a machine can think — you've proven it can make us think it does. That's a far more dangerous thing to have built.

idiotsecant 4mo ago
That was always what the turning test was, even according to turing ...
amelius 4mo ago
At least we're not thinking that it is God. Is there a name for that test?
- rsync 4mo ago
  The Davis[1] test. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_A._Davis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_A._Davis [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS
skybrian 4mo ago
People have dumbed down the Turing Test. The original was a party game like Werewolf/Mafia. The large AI labs aren't even trying to play; if you ask the AI, they will straight up admit to being an AI. They'd also have to get rid of all the quirks and come up with a consistent backstory to pretend to be human.
- chuckadams 4mo ago
  I’d like to see how they do with the Voight-Kampff test.
ninjagoo 4mo ago
> Turing was half right. Pass his test and you haven't proven a machine can think — you've proven it can make us think it does. When GPT3.5 first came out it became clear that the Turing test was obviously deprecated in the age of LLMs and a product of its time - 1950 [0] - that had a limited understanding of Intelligence/Cognition. Today, as science discovers Whale language [1] and various degrees of animal cognition [2], the Turing test's limitations are even more stark. > That's a far more dangerous thing to have built. Perhaps it is time to retire it and its derivatives as a benchmark for artificial intelligence. Also, here in 2026, I don't believe any serious AI researchers rely on the Turing test anymore. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test [1] https://ls.berkeley.edu/news/uc-berkeley-and-project-ceti-study-shows-sperm-whales-communicate-ways-similar-humans https://ls.berkeley.edu/news/uc-berkeley-and-project-ceti-st... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_cognition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_cognition PS - I think you're being unfairly downvoted

by FfejL 4mo ago

Turing was half right. Pass his test and you haven't proven a machine can think — you've proven it can make us think it does. That's a far more dangerous thing to have built.

idiotsecant 4mo ago

That was always what the turning test was, even according to turing ...

amelius 4mo ago

At least we're not thinking that it is God. Is there a name for that test?

rsync 4mo ago
The Davis[1] test. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_A._Davis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_A._Davis [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS

skybrian 4mo ago

People have dumbed down the Turing Test. The original was a party game like Werewolf/Mafia. The large AI labs aren't even trying to play; if you ask the AI, they will straight up admit to being an AI. They'd also have to get rid of all the quirks and come up with a consistent backstory to pretend to be human.

chuckadams 4mo ago
I’d like to see how they do with the Voight-Kampff test.

ninjagoo 4mo ago

> Turing was half right. Pass his test and you haven't proven a machine can think — you've proven it can make us think it does. When GPT3.5 first came out it became clear that the Turing test was obviously deprecated in the age of LLMs and a product of its time - 1950 [0] - that had a limited understanding of Intelligence/Cognition. Today, as science discovers Whale language [1] and various degrees of animal cognition [2], the Turing test's limitations are even more stark. > That's a far more dangerous thing to have built. Perhaps it is time to retire it and its derivatives as a benchmark for artificial intelligence. Also, here in 2026, I don't believe any serious AI researchers rely on the Turing test anymore. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test [1] https://ls.berkeley.edu/news/uc-berkeley-and-project-ceti-study-shows-sperm-whales-communicate-ways-similar-humans https://ls.berkeley.edu/news/uc-berkeley-and-project-ceti-st... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_cognition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_cognition PS - I think you're being unfairly downvoted