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Only because last time they tried to hide it lol

trymas 4mo ago
Yes and if I remember the drama correctly - Kimi's license or terms of use says that for commercial use cases (or was it user count?) - you must declare credit to Moonshot and Kimi.
- Lennie 4mo ago
  It's important to mention: they were compliant, because they trained the model at an AI hosting provider that had a partnership with Moonshot AI, but Moonshot didn't know Cursor was a customer.
- maxdo 4mo ago
  How can distilled opus become better than original? There are numbers of reports including anthropic that kimi team was participating in fraudulent activities
  - throwa356262 4mo ago
    Do we know the "fraudulent " requests really came from moonshot engineers and was not QA team running a ton of benchmarks against other models? I feel distilling something as big as Opus would require many many more samples, but I dont really know much about this subject
    - maxdo 4mo ago
      sure, sounds like QA lol Scale: Over 3.4 million exchanges The operation targeted: Agentic reasoning and tool use Coding and data analysis Computer-use agent development Computer vision Moonshot (Kimi models) employed hundreds of fraudulent accounts spanning multiple access pathways. Varied account types made the campaign harder to detect as a coordinated operation. We attributed the campaign through request metadata, which matched the public profiles of senior Moonshot staff. In a later phase, Moonshot used a more targeted approach, attempting to extract and reconstruct Claude’s reasoning traces.
      - ta20240528 4mo ago
        And when you here unsubstantiated rumours* that say Anthropic has been sending exchanges to say Alibaba's Qwen, will you als oconclude the same about the entire US AI industry? I doubt it. * publish the logs.
        ifwinterco 4mo ago
        Even if it's true, it's not like US AI companies can complain, given their entire business is based on ripping off text without attribution
        maxdo 4mo ago
        chinese ai is not doing the same? or they don't parse? they do except they also send thousands of sex-spies to do espionage of this kind on the scale.
        ifwinterco 4mo ago
        Of course they’re also doing this, my point is this is a grubby business where ethics went out of the window a long time ago. If you’re playing this game in 2026 you know the rules - anything goes
        ta20240528 4mo ago
        "they also send thousands of sex-spies" Could they send one (or two) my way?
- Aurornis 4mo ago
  This was misinformed Twitter and Reddit drama. They had properly licensed it and were complying with the terms of the license.
  - davidatbu 4mo ago
    Note that something that helped the misinformation was that, on Twitter, there were Kimi employees expressing their surprise that the base model was Kimi K2.5, and their indignation that Cursor didn't credit Kimi. They later deleted their tweets (what I infer from that is that some employees were not aware of some pre-existing agreement or understanding between Cursor and Kimi until the drama happened).

Yes and if I remember the drama correctly - Kimi's license or terms of use says that for commercial use cases (or was it user count?) - you must declare credit to Moonshot and Kimi.

Lennie 4mo ago
It's important to mention: they were compliant, because they trained the model at an AI hosting provider that had a partnership with Moonshot AI, but Moonshot didn't know Cursor was a customer.
maxdo 4mo ago
How can distilled opus become better than original? There are numbers of reports including anthropic that kimi team was participating in fraudulent activities
- throwa356262 4mo ago
  Do we know the "fraudulent " requests really came from moonshot engineers and was not QA team running a ton of benchmarks against other models? I feel distilling something as big as Opus would require many many more samples, but I dont really know much about this subject
  - maxdo 4mo ago
    sure, sounds like QA lol Scale: Over 3.4 million exchanges The operation targeted: Agentic reasoning and tool use Coding and data analysis Computer-use agent development Computer vision Moonshot (Kimi models) employed hundreds of fraudulent accounts spanning multiple access pathways. Varied account types made the campaign harder to detect as a coordinated operation. We attributed the campaign through request metadata, which matched the public profiles of senior Moonshot staff. In a later phase, Moonshot used a more targeted approach, attempting to extract and reconstruct Claude’s reasoning traces.
    - ta20240528 4mo ago
      And when you here unsubstantiated rumours* that say Anthropic has been sending exchanges to say Alibaba's Qwen, will you als oconclude the same about the entire US AI industry? I doubt it. * publish the logs.
      - ifwinterco 4mo ago
        Even if it's true, it's not like US AI companies can complain, given their entire business is based on ripping off text without attribution
        maxdo 4mo ago
        chinese ai is not doing the same? or they don't parse? they do except they also send thousands of sex-spies to do espionage of this kind on the scale.
        ifwinterco 4mo ago
        Of course they’re also doing this, my point is this is a grubby business where ethics went out of the window a long time ago. If you’re playing this game in 2026 you know the rules - anything goes
        ta20240528 4mo ago
        "they also send thousands of sex-spies" Could they send one (or two) my way?
Aurornis 4mo ago
This was misinformed Twitter and Reddit drama. They had properly licensed it and were complying with the terms of the license.
- davidatbu 4mo ago
  Note that something that helped the misinformation was that, on Twitter, there were Kimi employees expressing their surprise that the base model was Kimi K2.5, and their indignation that Cursor didn't credit Kimi. They later deleted their tweets (what I infer from that is that some employees were not aware of some pre-existing agreement or understanding between Cursor and Kimi until the drama happened).