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I could just...lie.

by LordAtlas 4mo ago

I could just...lie.

haakon 4mo ago
You really think someone would do that?
- fragmede 4mo ago
  What, just go on the Internet and tell lies? Who would do such a thing‽
  - HaZeust 4mo ago
    Funnily enough, that snippet from Arthur used to be my favorite forum weapon. I miss forums a lot these days.
- mindcrime 4mo ago
  An intelligence agency? LIE??? Perish the thought!
ZeWaka 4mo ago
*gasp
im3w1l 4mo ago
One person can tell a lie, but a company consists of many people. You must ensure that only few people know of the logging or there will be a risk of a leak.
- xboxnolifes 4mo ago
  Intelligence agencies... are generally pretty good at that.
- arcfour 4mo ago
  An intelligence agency already consists of more people than you need to run a VPN service.
  - im3w1l 4mo ago
    Still I think it's easier to avoid the need for more people than necessary. "Just lie" sounds like the easiest solution but on closer inspection maybe it is not?
    - arcfour 4mo ago
      Because if you lie you get infinitely more data than if you don't lie. And if you lie you can do it completely in secret whereas if you don't lie you get articles like the OP exposing the teeny amount of data you're trying to collect. It makes no sense.
    - nkrisc 4mo ago
      Lying is almost always the most cost-efficient answer to anything, if you’re not concerned about your trustworthiness, morality, ethics, etc.
- michaelt 4mo ago
  Well, there should only be a few people with the access needed to discover logging is happening. Just put the logging configuration in whatever secure configuration management tool is storing your TLS keys and suchlike. Make it look like an accidental misconfiguration and if an insider who isn't an NSA mole does somehow discover the logging, there's a fair chance they'll turn a blind eye anyway. After all, if you work at a VPN, publicly outing your employer for logging will tank the business, then you and your colleagues will all be out of a job.
  - pixel_popping 4mo ago
    It would also probably be illegal to disclose it.
- ekianjo 4mo ago
  Companies can lie at large too. Enron, theranos, and many others come to mind.
- autoexec 4mo ago
  leakers and whistleblowers are extremely rare. History is filled with examples of conspiracies involving many people that went on for long periods of time before one person eventually risked everything and said something. The Tuskegee Experiment went on for like 40 years! If keeping secrets were all that hard none of them would have been allowed to go on as long as they did.

I could just...lie.

haakon 4mo ago

You really think someone would do that?

fragmede 4mo ago
What, just go on the Internet and tell lies? Who would do such a thing‽
- HaZeust 4mo ago
  Funnily enough, that snippet from Arthur used to be my favorite forum weapon. I miss forums a lot these days.
mindcrime 4mo ago
An intelligence agency? LIE??? Perish the thought!

ZeWaka 4mo ago

*gasp

im3w1l 4mo ago

One person can tell a lie, but a company consists of many people. You must ensure that only few people know of the logging or there will be a risk of a leak.

xboxnolifes 4mo ago
Intelligence agencies... are generally pretty good at that.
arcfour 4mo ago
An intelligence agency already consists of more people than you need to run a VPN service.
- im3w1l 4mo ago
  Still I think it's easier to avoid the need for more people than necessary. "Just lie" sounds like the easiest solution but on closer inspection maybe it is not?
  - arcfour 4mo ago
    Because if you lie you get infinitely more data than if you don't lie. And if you lie you can do it completely in secret whereas if you don't lie you get articles like the OP exposing the teeny amount of data you're trying to collect. It makes no sense.
  - nkrisc 4mo ago
    Lying is almost always the most cost-efficient answer to anything, if you’re not concerned about your trustworthiness, morality, ethics, etc.
michaelt 4mo ago
Well, there should only be a few people with the access needed to discover logging is happening. Just put the logging configuration in whatever secure configuration management tool is storing your TLS keys and suchlike. Make it look like an accidental misconfiguration and if an insider who isn't an NSA mole does somehow discover the logging, there's a fair chance they'll turn a blind eye anyway. After all, if you work at a VPN, publicly outing your employer for logging will tank the business, then you and your colleagues will all be out of a job.
- pixel_popping 4mo ago
  It would also probably be illegal to disclose it.
ekianjo 4mo ago
Companies can lie at large too. Enron, theranos, and many others come to mind.
autoexec 4mo ago
leakers and whistleblowers are extremely rare. History is filled with examples of conspiracies involving many people that went on for long periods of time before one person eventually risked everything and said something. The Tuskegee Experiment went on for like 40 years! If keeping secrets were all that hard none of them would have been allowed to go on as long as they did.