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My man, all these fuckers use the same parasitic management consultancies. That's why all this shit looks the same.

by krooj 4mo ago

happymellon 4mo ago
Time to watch Office Space again?
- sanderjd 4mo ago
  "I'm an agent person. I'm good at dealing with the agents! Can't you understand that?! What the hell is wrong with you people?! I'm good at dealing with the agents!"
  - siva7 4mo ago
    That line is so damn good i recommend everyone who doesn't get it to watch Office Space.
- harimau777 4mo ago
  Honestly, Office Space looks like a dream job compared to normal practices. Imagine getting your own cubicle! That would be amazing!
jdasdf 4mo ago
Cloudflare has never made a profit. Is your stance that shareholders should perpetually subsidize it out of the goodness of their hearts?
- podgietaru 4mo ago
  My stance is this: Fine, maybe you need to restructure for profit reasons. If that is the case, then it is also beholden upon the people doing the layoffs to understand their responsibility in that. In an ideal world, a layoff of this scale would also require a shakeup of the management that let it get this bad in the first place. What's more, the higher up the chain, the less onerous the layoff for the individual getting laid off.
  - jdasdf 4mo ago
    Why should people who are profitable to employ be laid off as well? It just sounds like you're upset and want to hurt whoever you feel is responsible for making you upset. That's not a productive stance to have on important topics.
    - podgietaru 4mo ago
      What an odd view of what I said. I'm not asking for the people who hurt me to be hurt. I am asking that the responsibility of the actions that management layers took be considered in layoffs. For instance - If overhiring happened, how is this not at least a little bit on the individual that approved of a hiring spree? Why is it that they should be able to yield a baton that hurts the workers they hired, without having to actual bare the brunt of the decisions? If a business is still unprofitable, a business that touches so much of the internet like Cloudflare, then that is also a strategic failure and should be punished as such. I feel like your tone in this response was also so condescending.
      - shimman 4mo ago
        This is how the elites actually feel tho. They think they can do no wrong, it's not their fault that they don't know how to run a business but you should please give them another chance and not change corporate law to stop benefiting them over workers. It's a mindset that enables neoliberalism to flourish while vast majorities suffer immensely to benefit the few. It's a system that's worth questioning as the material lives of 100s of millions of Americans are getting objectively worse every year while we are always being told there is no money for healthcare or childcare but there is always trillions laying around for imperialistic activities like data center expansions and war.
        cj 4mo ago
        Let's throw the elites in jail, so that more elites can come in and do the same thing? There's a limited pool of execs to run companies. Its a pretty homogenous group of people, similar skill sets, some have varying philosophies on how to run companies, but the majority of them will likely make the same decision if given identical sets of circumstances. I get triggered when people start calling out "elites" and other boogeymen - what does it mean to have companies run by non-elites? What even is an "elite"? Are they elite simply because they are employed as an exec? Is it possible to have a non-elite executive? Using "elites" in this context makes it feel like an emotional complaint about the world rather than anything rooted in logic.
- punkbit 4mo ago
  Cloudflare has never made a profit? The thread commentator said the product he maintained was 95% profit.
  - headinthesky 4mo ago
    My orgs products. Others, probably not. There is a lot water they could have targeting and gone after. Starting with Dane's idiotic incomplete messes he left around and declaring them done and leaving people to clean his garbage up Leadership is terrible and they're out of ideas. AI is going to be the future but it can't even review code properly Their "no profit" is entire accounting trickery
  - jdasdf 4mo ago
    The comentator either wasn't talking about the company as a whole, or was mistaken. This is public information. Their financial statements show clearly that they made a loss every single year since the data is available. https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/NET/cloudflare/income-statement?freq=A https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/NET/cloudflare/inc...
punkbit 4mo ago
"Management consultancies" that make sense. I thought that maybe all these higher-up people know each other and share a common "Slack group"

My man, all these fuckers use the same parasitic management consultancies. That's why all this shit looks the same.

by krooj 4mo ago

My man, all these fuckers use the same parasitic management consultancies. That's why all this shit looks the same.

happymellon 4mo ago

Time to watch Office Space again?

sanderjd 4mo ago
"I'm an agent person. I'm good at dealing with the agents! Can't you understand that?! What the hell is wrong with you people?! I'm good at dealing with the agents!"
- siva7 4mo ago
  That line is so damn good i recommend everyone who doesn't get it to watch Office Space.
harimau777 4mo ago
Honestly, Office Space looks like a dream job compared to normal practices. Imagine getting your own cubicle! That would be amazing!

jdasdf 4mo ago

Cloudflare has never made a profit. Is your stance that shareholders should perpetually subsidize it out of the goodness of their hearts?

podgietaru 4mo ago
My stance is this: Fine, maybe you need to restructure for profit reasons. If that is the case, then it is also beholden upon the people doing the layoffs to understand their responsibility in that. In an ideal world, a layoff of this scale would also require a shakeup of the management that let it get this bad in the first place. What's more, the higher up the chain, the less onerous the layoff for the individual getting laid off.
- jdasdf 4mo ago
  Why should people who are profitable to employ be laid off as well? It just sounds like you're upset and want to hurt whoever you feel is responsible for making you upset. That's not a productive stance to have on important topics.
  - podgietaru 4mo ago
    What an odd view of what I said. I'm not asking for the people who hurt me to be hurt. I am asking that the responsibility of the actions that management layers took be considered in layoffs. For instance - If overhiring happened, how is this not at least a little bit on the individual that approved of a hiring spree? Why is it that they should be able to yield a baton that hurts the workers they hired, without having to actual bare the brunt of the decisions? If a business is still unprofitable, a business that touches so much of the internet like Cloudflare, then that is also a strategic failure and should be punished as such. I feel like your tone in this response was also so condescending.
    - shimman 4mo ago
      This is how the elites actually feel tho. They think they can do no wrong, it's not their fault that they don't know how to run a business but you should please give them another chance and not change corporate law to stop benefiting them over workers. It's a mindset that enables neoliberalism to flourish while vast majorities suffer immensely to benefit the few. It's a system that's worth questioning as the material lives of 100s of millions of Americans are getting objectively worse every year while we are always being told there is no money for healthcare or childcare but there is always trillions laying around for imperialistic activities like data center expansions and war.
      - cj 4mo ago
        Let's throw the elites in jail, so that more elites can come in and do the same thing? There's a limited pool of execs to run companies. Its a pretty homogenous group of people, similar skill sets, some have varying philosophies on how to run companies, but the majority of them will likely make the same decision if given identical sets of circumstances. I get triggered when people start calling out "elites" and other boogeymen - what does it mean to have companies run by non-elites? What even is an "elite"? Are they elite simply because they are employed as an exec? Is it possible to have a non-elite executive? Using "elites" in this context makes it feel like an emotional complaint about the world rather than anything rooted in logic.
punkbit 4mo ago
Cloudflare has never made a profit? The thread commentator said the product he maintained was 95% profit.
- headinthesky 4mo ago
  My orgs products. Others, probably not. There is a lot water they could have targeting and gone after. Starting with Dane's idiotic incomplete messes he left around and declaring them done and leaving people to clean his garbage up Leadership is terrible and they're out of ideas. AI is going to be the future but it can't even review code properly Their "no profit" is entire accounting trickery
- jdasdf 4mo ago
  The comentator either wasn't talking about the company as a whole, or was mistaken. This is public information. Their financial statements show clearly that they made a loss every single year since the data is available. https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/NET/cloudflare/income-statement?freq=A https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/NET/cloudflare/inc...

punkbit 4mo ago

"Management consultancies" that make sense. I thought that maybe all these higher-up people know each other and share a common "Slack group"