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I get that its not like they were sent to a boarding school or something. But it does mention accelerated catch up programs just for them, assisting financiall

by nerdjon 4mo ago

I get that its not like they were sent to a boarding school or something. But it does mention accelerated catch up programs just for them, assisting financially, and vocational training. Which is clearly more than just "stayed in school". Meaning it is something that can't just be replicated by encouraging being in school but actively needing a program like this. Which is not a bad thing obviously, but it is important that the right lesson is taken out of this.

colechristensen 4mo ago
I think you may be reaching a bit for the "it's not this it's that" when it's obvious that a "get kids to stay in school" program is never "do exactly nothing besides make a kid be inside the school building reliably". Every problem solved involves fixing dependencies.
- Barbing 4mo ago
  Non-obvious for this guy me!
- bombcar 4mo ago
  But if the issue fixed as "make it possible for girls to stay home until older" and paying the families would have had the same result as schooling, it's important to know that. Education can be a good and still not be the fundamental cause (just like going to school where they provide breakfast and lunch may be good, but the reason you grow stronger isn't the classes, it's the food).
- smallmancontrov 4mo ago
  I'm ok with hearing "it's not this it's that" if there's an overcooked "it's not that it's this" narrative nearby, and there is: education was (and is!) aggressively pushed as a cure-all for job displacement and other ills by people doing labor arbitrage in the united states, it eventually turned out that wet sidewalks did not cause rain, and now there are a bunch of underemployed kids stuck with fake dreams and real loans and on the other side of the trade a bunch of rich boomers+billionaires whose brokerage accounts depend on continuing the hustle. Given that we have seen the exact education-cures-all narrative exploited to disastrous consequence in the United States, we should absolutely be asking the question "is education the active ingredient" to avoid exporting the same stupid mistake to others.
  - colechristensen 4mo ago
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  - watwut 4mo ago
    America has fairly low unemployment rates. Yes, schools are expensive and educational debt is not dischargeable in bankruptcy. But, you know, unemployment rates are the worst for people with low or no education.
    - smallmancontrov 4mo ago
      I didn't say the problem in America was high unemployment, I said the problem was: > underemployed kids stuck with fake dreams and real loans Please respond to the correct argument I made, not the incorrect argument you wish I had made.
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by nerdjon 4mo ago

colechristensen 4mo ago

I think you may be reaching a bit for the "it's not this it's that" when it's obvious that a "get kids to stay in school" program is never "do exactly nothing besides make a kid be inside the school building reliably". Every problem solved involves fixing dependencies.

Barbing 4mo ago
Non-obvious for this guy me!
bombcar 4mo ago
But if the issue fixed as "make it possible for girls to stay home until older" and paying the families would have had the same result as schooling, it's important to know that. Education can be a good and still not be the fundamental cause (just like going to school where they provide breakfast and lunch may be good, but the reason you grow stronger isn't the classes, it's the food).
smallmancontrov 4mo ago
I'm ok with hearing "it's not this it's that" if there's an overcooked "it's not that it's this" narrative nearby, and there is: education was (and is!) aggressively pushed as a cure-all for job displacement and other ills by people doing labor arbitrage in the united states, it eventually turned out that wet sidewalks did not cause rain, and now there are a bunch of underemployed kids stuck with fake dreams and real loans and on the other side of the trade a bunch of rich boomers+billionaires whose brokerage accounts depend on continuing the hustle. Given that we have seen the exact education-cures-all narrative exploited to disastrous consequence in the United States, we should absolutely be asking the question "is education the active ingredient" to avoid exporting the same stupid mistake to others.
- colechristensen 4mo ago
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- watwut 4mo ago
  America has fairly low unemployment rates. Yes, schools are expensive and educational debt is not dischargeable in bankruptcy. But, you know, unemployment rates are the worst for people with low or no education.
  - smallmancontrov 4mo ago
    I didn't say the problem in America was high unemployment, I said the problem was: > underemployed kids stuck with fake dreams and real loans Please respond to the correct argument I made, not the incorrect argument you wish I had made.

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