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If only scalpers didn’t scoop up every unit
by KumaBear 4mo ago
If only scalpers didn’t scoop up every unit
- BadBadJellyBean 4mo agoI really wonder how many scalpers there were. I got one. I am not a scalper. Maybe it was just high demand for limited stock.
- wldcordeiro 4mo agoThese days it's hard to tell and there's always a mix of both with any high demand items so it makes the stock limits even more pronounced. With how Valve has done hardware releases lately though I imagine it's more a stock limitation.
- embedding-shape 4mo ago> These days it's hard to tell Is it really? I go to my "local" second-hand marketplace and I see countless of listings for the new Valve Controller. I think it's fair to say most of those aren't "Ops, I made a purchase and I can't return it" but most likely being scalpers. No doubt, some of them are fake as well, but regardless, tends to be fairly easy to see when things are being scalped or if it's actually just high demand, if it's the latter, you don't see tons of second-hand listings the day after it opened.
- BadBadJellyBean 4mo agoI understand but you don't know how many people got one to keep it compared to how many just resell it.
- embedding-shape 4mo ago> but you don't know how many people got one to keep it compared to how many just resell it But you do? If someone puts it up on second-hand markets, they're not intending to keep it, they're intending to resell it, why put it up otherwise?
- bluetidepro 4mo agoRight, they're saying you only see the side of the resellers, you have no idea the number of people who purchased it to keep it (like many of us in the thread). So in reality you may be only seeing less than 1% of stock for resell and not the 99% that are just buying it to keep it like normal. It's just confirmation bias that you assume everyone is buying to resell it cause that's all you're able to see.
- opan 4mo agoI also got one and didn't think scalpers were the problem at the time. I have since seen eBay listings of people trying to sell the controllers (that they don't even have yet) for 3x the price, though, so they maybe did play a role. There was a limit of 2 controllers per Steam account and they sold out within 30 minutes, so not sure if bots were used or what. There wasn't a lot of time to mess around. I've seen a lot of people who wanted one couldn't get one. Personally I added it to my cart about 2 minutes before the official start time and then it took 12 minutes or so of retrying to actually check out.
- ai_ 4mo agoI added it to my cart 2 minutes before and spent 3 hours trying before realizing that just because it's in your cart doesn't mean it exists since it was actually out of stock.
- bluetidepro 4mo agoI don't fully understand this narrative that is going around about scalpers and the controller. So many people online are claiming it was only scalpers who were able to purchase one. I am also not a scalper (as someone else said), and was able to purchase one. We don't know how many they actually had in stock in total but let's say it's around 30K, from what I have searched on eBay and other reselling sites it would only seem like less than 1% of the stock is being sold by resellers/scalpers. I think it was just a high demand product. I know scalpers are a problem in much of the entertainment industry right now, but it's also becoming a scape goat for anything you just weren't able to buy yourself. It's quite annoying and getting old fast.
- iknowstuff 4mo agoIt’s hard to participate in any gaming communities because you quickly realize they’re all kids who have no idea about markets but they all talk like foremost experts on every subject
- tyg13 4mo agoI don't think you can really escape this anywhere online. Hacker News has the same problem, really.
- cortesoft 4mo agoThis is not just gaming communities and it is not just kids. The number of adults who don't understand basic supply and demand is astonishing. Every discussion about Ticketmaster and/or scalpers is full of people who think if it wasn't for scalpers and ticketmaster, we could all go to every concert we want to for a reasonable price. It is the same thing with the tech community and the price of hard drives, RAM, and GPUs right now. I have seen so many comments by people saying they "aren't going to support the price gouging" and seem to think manufacturers are just taking advantage of the hype to increase their prices.
- goolz 4mo agoDoes Ticketmaster not amplify prices and use perceived scarcity to drive up prices? They can due that because Live Nation is a monopoly in all but name.
- Computer0 4mo agoI think valve typically has pretty good scalper protection. Was that not the case this time?
- BadBadJellyBean 4mo agoI think nobody but valve knows and they are not telling us. We don't know how many units were sold and how the protections were (at least I didn't see anything). Some people seem to assume that scalpers are to blame when a product is sold out really fast (which is understandable when looking at past hardware releases). Me, I don't think so. I just think people really wanted to get one.
- mitkebes 4mo agoI know the steam deck had good scalper limitations. You had to have a steam account in good standing (no vac bans) that had a game purchase from before the deck was available for purchase, as well as a limit of how many one account could purchase. There was a limit of 2 steam controllers for this sale, but it sounds like that limit was only per transaction, and didn't prevent an account from placing multiple transactions (if the store would load for long enough to allow it). I don't think any of the other limitations were in place.
- BadBadJellyBean 4mo agoI doubt that. Do you have any sources for that claim?
- DauntingPear7 4mo agoI got 2. 1 for me and 1 for my brother. I sat with the page loaded and waiting. It opened a few minutes early and I was able to still order a 2nd about 5 minutes into sale
- BadBadJellyBean 4mo agoI got one a day later.
- gs17 4mo agoI'm hoping that the controller sale was a test/recon run for preventing scalping for the Frame/Machine.
- system2 4mo agoI have one and didn't have any issues buying, nor heard anyone have any issues buying in the past... In fact, the Steam Controller was considered a flop.
- BadBadJellyBean 4mo agoWrong Steam Controller. Valve released a new one with the same name on the 4th of may. Stupid naming.
- Maxatar 4mo agoI don't really understand this argument. Is your position that if scalpers didn't exist you'd have a better chance of getting this product? Scalpers have no effect on the supply of a product, they only affect the demand of the product and specifically they reduce the demand for the product by increasing the price.