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Tangled is VC sponsored. It doesn't scream stability to me, but rather "we need to grow at all cost". I don't see the appeal. Even though it's federated, when
by code-blooded 5mo ago
Tangled is VC sponsored. It doesn't scream stability to me, but rather "we need to grow at all cost". I don't see the appeal.
Even though it's federated, when development stops, who will be there to fix bugs and maintain it?
- Ritewut 5mo agoI don't mind VC funding as long as they aren't YC funded.
- pseudalopex 5mo agoWhy?
- Ritewut 5mo agoI believe YC is a organization run by bad people. Like, people who actually want to do harm to you. You can peek at Garry Tan's X to get a taste of the type of things I'm talking to.
- pseudalopex 5mo agoIs Peter Thiel a good person?
- Ritewut 5mo agoNot in my opinion
- pseudalopex 5mo agoWhy would you not mind Thiel funding?
- Ritewut 5mo agoI believed Thiel was still part of YC and included in my original statement I absolutely do mind if Thiel is funding a company.
- icy 5mo agoTangled is built entirely in the open: https://tangled.org/tangled.org/core https://tangled.org/tangled.org/core, and our primary goal is to be "permanent software"—i.e. be fully reproducible and entirely self-hostable at minimal cost. VC money is a means to an end. We're both Indian founders in Europe, and grants are nigh on impossible to find (4–12+ months for anything to materialize). VC is quite simply the quickest way for us to build a team, setup infra and accelerate development. We're also incredibly aligned with our investors on our goals (we took 6+ months to find the perfect partner for this).
- xandrius 5mo agoMmmm still rather not support this. I prefer slow and steady wins the race kind of project. Good luck!
- baq 5mo agowhen in doubt, copy astral's exit strategy and get bought out by a foundation model lab. (yeah n=1, but that's still greater than 0 ;))
- shimman 5mo agoVC money is absolutely not a means to an end, what is signals is that the company doesn't care about community and only cares about profit. I'm with the OP you're replying to. Taking VC is an albatross that means a large portion of devs will never trust you or use your services (outside of bleeding your funds dry). If this place truly cared about community they should have made a non-profit or some type of NGO, basically anything with a true community governance model. Not the current model of caring about money over a community. We currently live in a society that solely cares about money and seriously doubt devs want to continue uplifting the current system that only benefits the rich at the expense of everyone else. How many board seats does the company plan on giving to the community to ensure enshittification doesn't occur?
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- OneDeuxTriSeiGo 5mo ago> who will be there to fix bugs and maintain it? Those of us who use it. Tangled is a neat project and architecturally it makes a lot of interesting choices but code-wise it's relatively simple and from my personal forays in it I'd say pretty easy to maintain. The majority of the codebase is loosely related go modules. Then some static HTML+CSS. And finally a small sprinkle of typescript to tie things together. And of course a bit of Nix for orchestration. IIRC it all runs on a pretty trivial amount of hardware that a single person could currently host by themself. Users' knots, spindles, and PDS (plus atproto at large) do the real heavy lifting infra-wise.
- pfraze 5mo agoThe most valuable thing Tangled will ever do is establish the protocol of Tangled. Once that’s done, it lives as long as people are willing to run it.
- OneDeuxTriSeiGo 5mo agoExactly. I'm personally slowly working on my own parallel "appview" of tangled that is accessible exclusively via SMTP, IMAP, JMAP, and eventually integration with a Lore + Patchwork frontend.
- jphastings 5mo agoOh that sounds very cool! Where can we follow your progress?
- OneDeuxTriSeiGo 5mo agoOh I haven't uploaded anything yet but I'm around in the Tangled discord (and you can find me on bluesky/tangled with the handle onedeuxtriseigo.nullpo.dev). I'll make a proper announcement when it's anywhere close to presentable or even functional and I imagine the tangled folks will amplify that when I do.
- whereistejas 5mo ago
- colesantiago 5mo agoWhen a project is funded by these VCs I question: Why does it need VCs? Why not company and corporate sponsorship like Ladybird? Why should we spend our time on a developer tool that would be enshittified down the line when VCs expect 10x returns?
- OneDeuxTriSeiGo 5mo agoIn this case the VC in question is funding various atproto projects as they are one of the primary backing VCs for Bluesky. So even if they don't expect returns from a given atproto project, they are investing money (and therefore funding FTEs) in the ecosystem at large. The investment isn't necessarily in any one of these projects in isolation. It's in the AT protocol at large.
- icy 5mo ago> Why does it need VCs? Why not company and corporate sponsorship like Ladybird? You talk about corporate sponsorship like that's trivial to find. Trust me when I say we spent over half a year chasing down grants/sponsorships only to be met with closed doors, extremely long wait times for pennies. We'd also be required to keep our day jobs—which means less focus on Tangled dev, and ultimately very slow progress overall. We debated VC heavily (we're both idealists after all), but figured we can make it work—it's ultimately the founders that make bad calls leading to enshittification. There's plenty of examples of VC-backed companies that haven't enshittified. Tailscale is an excellent one, and hence we brought on Avery as an angel in our round.
- colesantiago 5mo agoSure Tailscale is an excellent one. For now at least. It is also not open source and also has a paid product. Perhaps maybe in a few years time, Tangled Enterprise would be available to compete with GitHub Enterprise and that is where the switch over happens for companies who want to move over from GitHub to Tangled. I don’t know because somehow Tangled would need to make money somehow? I hope Tangled becomes profitable enough to withstand enshittification, because more and more funding rounds and not meeting targets means giving up control and facing a repeat of what happened at Bluesky.
- uncenter 5mo agoYou wrote this comment on a VC funded news aggregation website, so who's to say?
- tardedmeme 5mo agoThis website is funded by providing brainwashing services for YC's agenda.