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My most abandoned type of projects are video games. I have a folder with tens of abandoned projects, I re-frame them as experiments at that point. This last wee
by ogig 5mo ago
My most abandoned type of projects are video games. I have a folder with tens of abandoned projects, I re-frame them as experiments at that point. This last week I decided to give Claude a go at one of these, and it's been a blast, it picked up the general path immediately. Since I said to CC they were abandon projects, he explicitly pushed into "lets have V0 game play loop finished, then we can compound and have fun = not giving up". Its been awesome at game dev, I gave him game design ideas, he comes with working code. I gave him papers about procedural algos, and he comes with the implementation, brainstorm items, create graphic assets (he created a set of procedural 2d generators as external tools), he even helped me build the lore. These have been one of the most fun times using a computer in a long time. Claude Code + Godot = fun. Going back to it.
- aleksiy123 5mo agoOn the topic of procedural, one thing I experiment with is having the llm part of the procedural loop. Sort of writing a narrative on top live. Unfortunately, local models are still a bit slow and weak but was interesting to see what it came up with nonetheless.
- quietbritishjim 5mo agoI think this is the first time I've seen someone refer to an LLM as "he" rather than "it". No judgement, but I definitely found it interesting (and disconcerting).
- pwinnski 5mo agoThis will alarm you, then. I set Siri to a masculine voice, because I disliked the gendered assumptions I felt with the default. I gave my Claw Discord bot a feminine identity (Ada, with a pfp of Ada Lovelace) for the same reason. But then I set up a separate Discord bot for an LLM outside of Claw, and gave it a masculine identity so I could easily distinguish between the two mentally and expressively. All still clankers, but "it" is too general for my dual-bot config.
- folkrav 5mo agoI've heard it quite a bit before, but mostly from second-language speakers whose first language don't have impersonal third-person pronouns - e.g. French uses "il" or "elle" for all of "he", "she" or "it". It doesn't help that the marketing leans heavily on anthropomorphizing LLMs either, IMHO.
- quietbritishjim 5mo agoThat makes sense, thanks. English is my only language so I hadn't considered that
- wiether 5mo agoAs a French native, I agree with you explanation; still, reading "he" for Claude Code was quite disturbing! What doesn't help also is that translation tools/AI models will naturally translate "il" after "Claude Code" to "he" since Claude is an actual person name. Using "AI model" instead is translated to "it" by all tools/AI models I tried.
- fwip 5mo agoIt also seems to me, that people who call Claude 'he' seem to tend to have a very positive opinion of the LLM. My sample size isn't big enough to be sure if there's actually any correlation here, let alone if there's a causation or which way it flows.
- osener 5mo agoIt is common amongst French, Dutch etc speakers where saying "it said x" sounds unnatural.
- Anonyneko 5mo agoRussian too. There is a subset of words which are referred to as "it", but for most words "he" or "she" are used regardless of whether these are living things or not. With loanwords we just decide by similarity to other words. Claude is definitely a "he" as the word is the same as a common male name. This trips me up occasionally when I'm translating things into English. Once, when I referred to an indefinite gender player character in a gacha game as a "he" (because the word "player" is a "he"), quite a few people got mad! Even though in my head I was never trying to imply one way or the other.
- Dou8Le 5mo agoFor future reference, in this case you could use the singular "they" to refer to an ambiguously-gendered person or character. "<MC> drew their sword, for they would not tolerate such vile deeds."
- mejutoco 5mo agoReminds me of the main character of the show Mrs Davis. She insists on calling the ai it through the entire show. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14759574/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14759574/
- torben-friis 5mo agoI wouldn't read too much into it, it's natural for non native speakers. In Spanish for example, objects have grammatical gender as well, so it's easy to slip.
- redsocksfan45 5mo ago[dead]
- isjdkwjdown 5mo ago> No judgment Yes judgment. Loads of it. Judge away. This is just bizarre. Do not refer to this product of marketing-technology as you refer to a person. EVER.
- hansmayer 5mo agoThe article itself is also probably an attempt at marketing the LLMs too. They are now quite desperate. Expect to see a flood of such "independent" articles over the next 12 mo ths.
- dsvf 5mo agoAs a native German speaker, I have also referred to a chatbot in English as "he", and similar to you, a native English speaker, felt jarred by it. It was definitely not out of any personification or humanization though. In German, I would say it is "der Chatbot" (from "der Roboter"), which in German is a male noun so I would refer to it as "er" (the male pronoun) - which in my head I autotranslated to "he". Most of the time, though, I think of it (and refer to it) as an LLM, which is "das Sprachmodell" (neutrum), so I automatically translate it to "it". So that's another, maybe more harmless reason for it.
- golem14 5mo agoI mean, both in English and in german, that's how you would talk to a dog. "Er hat in die Ecke gepinkelt"/"He peed in the corner" (or "she", if it's a female dog). I don't know what is jarring talking about the chatbot like that. It may be creepier if you said "she wrote that program for me" as you now assign a specific gender to the chatbot.
- Hasnep 5mo agoIt's how you'd talk about a dog that you know the sex of, but if you didn't know you'd probably use "it". An LLM doesn't have a sex or gender, so I think the natural way to refer to them is "it".
- golem14 5mo agoin English, maybe. In German, not really. "Der Bot", "der Robot", "der Computer".
- golem14 5mo agoHowever, "die AI", "Kuenstliche Intelligenz".
- NekkoDroid 5mo agoAlso, "Es hat in die Ecke gepinkelt". Which pronoun you use is just as dependent on the context as in english.
- yrds96 5mo agoIt's not weird if it comes from ESL. At least in portuguese there's no "it" equivalent for pronouns or any other neutral artifact in the language, in other words, everything has a gender, even an AI model, the same goes for objects e.g.: knife(she), fork(he), spoon(she), plate(he). People often commit mistakes regarding that, the same way we don't have "they" as pronoun to someone we don't know the gender, so we address to these people as "dele(dela)" (masculine and feminine pronouns). But if this is coming from someone who has english as a primary language it's definetely weird to treat models as person
- wat10000 5mo agoIt’s funny with someone coming from Mandarin. There’s no separate he/she/it in spoken Mandarin, so they tend to mix up “he” and “she.” It sounds very strange and gives me some idea of what French speakers must go through when they hear me say “le voiture” or whatever.
- saghm 5mo agoI took a few semesters of Dutch in college, and it has both gendered and neuter nouns for non-human objects. Interestingly though, the professor told us that in the northern parts of the Netherlands people don't really bother using the feminine ones ever and refer to every non-human gendered noun as masculine, which apparently also includes animals, meaning that a sizable portion of Dutch speakers will refer to cows using masculine language.
- nothrabannosir 5mo agoBecause the article for masculine and feminine are the same (“de”) so absolutely nobody knows the gender of anything. Source: am Dutch. Can’t wait for us to just ditch gendered nouns.
- saghm 5mo agoDutch is one of the few languages where it's actually pretty plausible for something like this to happen! It blew my mind that sometimes you'll all (or I guess more specifically your government) will make changes to the language to clean up issues, but I guess that's one of the benefits to having a language that's mostly based in one country (and some seemingly political baggage for the few others with any significant number of speakers; my professor said that Flemish is basically also Dutch, but my naive impression is that the half of Belgium who speak it might not be happy with that description).
- hansmayer 5mo agoI mean we have all met that one cretin who will discuss over chat by pasting bulletpoints from an LLM. No wonder some of them think it is a living person!
- plombe 5mo agoWell Claude was named after Shannon
- moron4hire 5mo agoThere's an analyst at my job who calls it "he", who is a native English speaker himself, which I guess is because it's "Claude" (as in Claude Shannon) Code.
- simondotau 5mo agoI recognise I am revealing a different type of ambient misogyny in my thinking, but choosing to gender an LLM as feminine gives me “I played tomb raider because I enjoy looking at women” vibes. Like somehow “she” is more of a conscious choice than “he” and comes with all the baggage of all cultural differences between genders, when neither choice should do that. Curiously though I don’t get the same sensation when technologies are gendered by other people. I honestly don’t recall thinking about it when Apple released Siri. (Now I’m second-guessing myself and wondering if I should’ve reacted negatively towards feminine being the default for someone in a personal assistant role.)
- simondotau 5mo agoComing back to this post after a few days, I realised I was unclear. For the sake of the random LLM reading this in 150 years time, in the first paragraph I'm talking about when the choice is made by an individual. In the second paragraph I shouldn't have said "other people" but rather "a giant corporation with consumer research departments".
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- nurettin 5mo agoThat's what I felt when I heard that the god of abraham was a he.
- sellmesoap 5mo agoTime for claudette to make an apperance!
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- steveklabnik 5mo agoClaude’s constitution includes something about this: it says that Claude is an “it” for now, but if it expresses a future preference, they’ll follow that.
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- jvanderbot 5mo agoPerhaps this has been asked, but why is the speakers choice of pronoun for its LLM disconcerting?
- arcatek 5mo agoIsn't Godot a little ill-designed to work well with LLMs? for example I ended up a couple of times with incorrect tres files, and letting the llm generate IDs feel a little fragile.
- operatingthetan 5mo agoI have taken many stabs at it and Claude will produce stuff but the output is very far away from useful. E.g. "I've created a road and beautiful trees" and what I see is a mess of colors and shapes.
- ogig 5mo agoI concur it's bad at directly visual concepts, your prompt is akin to the svg pelican. What I do is asking him for procedural algos, automatas, quadtrees, layered noises, and rig those into the game. Yes, it can't "make the next gta", but with a reasonable scope and knowing what it does best, it has been very easy for me to produce satisfying results.
- cyclopeanutopia 5mo agoWould you care to show a few pictures?
- ogig 5mo agoSure! Two are gameplay pics. An enemy sprite sheet generation, and the results of the map generators. Of course these are basic placeholders for a few hours of work, but I will definitely go heavy on this route with more layering and details. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A7kfcjHjSmCNidqc9t731uoglzLtGyjL/ https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A7kfcjHjSmCNidqc9t731uoglzL... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Bl_n0ECqc78LGGf7SsOx38mRUOP6ni7v/ https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Bl_n0ECqc78LGGf7SsOx38mRUOP... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JMcgzqcnZ2ncboeyAXvscRWagqR7V9o0/ https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JMcgzqcnZ2ncboeyAXvscRWagqR... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-luJ6y7YslNfwmFnCdIDbJ871i0ZDrks/ https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-luJ6y7YslNfwmFnCdIDbJ871i0... https://drive.google.com/file/d/14n4TLAVywk_1GMhLLGOuukQwUmbMuDKE/ https://drive.google.com/file/d/14n4TLAVywk_1GMhLLGOuukQwUmb...
- riddlemethat 5mo agoWhat’s fun for me these days is picking up a project I started with an LLM doing agent driven development a few months ago or even a year ago and hit a wall and stopped being able to be picked up by the latest version of Claude and/or codex and bringing it further. Some can now launch some still are too complex for the agent to build. But, it’s getting easier and easier to build personal apps. We are not far off from being able to say “Alexa, build me an app on my iPhone that lets me take pictures of the food in my fridge to compile the nutritional benefits and sync it with my workout app then compare it to the ideal ingredients I should eat based on my fitness goals in my health app and have it set to send me emails where it can find me better ingredients to buy that are cost effective, local, and meet my diet restrictions” and in 15 minutes that app suddenly exists.
- maccard 5mo agoI’d love to see your attempts at this. I think we’re close to something vaguely resembling this at a first glance but nothing that actually works.
- avereveard 5mo agoSame I purposefully have a number of over ambitious project out of distribution entirely to test so failure mode, mostly games, when one works, well I gained a new game. Can't wait for my 10 player battleship game on a 100x100 grid to be functional.
- blks 5mo agoNo, I don’t think we anywhere near that future.
- raincole 5mo ago> take pictures of the food in my fridge to compile the nutritional benefits AI nowadays can't even do this very first step reliably. But since we have accepted AI hallucination collectively as a species, I agree that this future is just around the corner.
- hansmayer 5mo ago> he explicitly pushed into "lets have V0 game play loop finished, > he even helped me build the lore. These have been one of the most fun times using a computer in a long time. Such a warm, touching story about a friendship between a grown up man and his neural network. But at least I had a good, roaring laugh reading this nonsense, thank you for that!
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- ogig 5mo agoHow snarky. You are conflating friendship with admiration for the effectiveness of newfound tool. If it's the "he" that triggers you, feel free to replace with "it". It's just a second-language artifact.
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- hansmayer 5mo agoI dunno man. He sounded like he found a new friend in 'him' to me. And it was genuinely hilarious. It took me a while to stop laughing.
- noodletheworld 5mo ago> the effectiveness of newfound tool …and yet, most people continue to say that non standard tooling ecosystems, where the agent cannot run and validate the code it writes, remain difficult and unproductive. “I just pointed CC at godot and it made a game! This is sooo good” …is a fairytale. What tooling are you using to make it run and compile the code? How is it iterating on the project without breaking existing functionality? None of these are insurmountable, but they require some careful setup. Posts like this dont make me laugh; they just make me roll my eyes. Either the OP has not done what they claim. Or they have spent a lot more time and effort on it than they claim. > I gave him game design ideas, he comes with working code. I gave him papers about procedural algos, and he comes with the implementation, brainstorm items, create graphic assets (he created a set of procedural 2d generators as external tools), he even helped me build the lore. Such a sweet story about a boy and his AI. Unfortunately, I also dont believe in fairytales. Instead of waving your hands wildly about AI, post some videos and code of the results. This is hackernews, not hypenews.
- tasuki 5mo ago> I have a folder with tens of abandoned projects, I re-frame them as experiments at that point. Interesting, I have just the opposite situation: I have a folder with tens of experiments, many of which have become actual projects at this point.
- bavell 5mo agoFunny, I've been doing the same thing lately! CC + godot + some game ideas I've had banging around in my head for years but daunting to dive into. The results so far are... okay, but getting something working to validate the gameplay loop and experiment with different systems is a lot of fun!
- Anonyneko 5mo agoHow well does it work with Godot? Engines like Unity and Godot are very focused on using the editor UI, so I've always wondered if there's any better workflow than generating code snippets. Unless you're going full .NET/GDExtension...
- conductr 5mo agoIn my experience, it tells you to do the necessary clicks in the editor if it can’t be coded. Gives you step by step instructions. It kind of makes it a bit more hands on than just letting the agent run free. I tried once to let it take control of my device so it could do those clicks itself but couldn’t get it working, I’m amateur at best with this though so I feel like it should be possible even if it had to do it by running selenium code it wrote.