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I can certainly imagine such a world. I don't use Brave because I don't want to support Brendan Eich.

by Paul-Craft 5mo ago

kulahan 5mo ago
So instead you use, what, Chrome because you want to support Sundar Pichai??
- pixxel 5mo ago
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- JoshTriplett 5mo ago
  You are literally on a thread about Firefox, and you think someone saying they don't use Brave must be using Chrome?
  - kulahan 5mo ago
    You are literally in a thread where 90% of the discussion is surrounding chromium and you think this isn’t a connected idea? Edit: also crazy that someone who doesn’t want to support the Brave guy would support the browser using the Brave guy’s stuff, but I guess I see lots of chick-fil-a haters shopping in Amazon these days, so who am I to question what’s in vogue?
    - JoshTriplett 5mo ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47900153 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47900153 > Brendan Eich didn't personally write the code, and he doesn't benefit from Firefox using it. If anything this hurts him, since Firefox is catching up to an advantage of Brave without investing their own development resources. > No matter from what angle I look at this situation, your complaint makes no sense. Don't assume the positions of people who disagree with you are not thought out. It is a dangerous line of reasoning to go "if only they thought it through for more than five seconds they'd agree with me".
      - kulahan 5mo ago
        Right, it still doesn’t make sense. You’re still using a product created by a company run by the guy you supposedly hate, why would you the decide to use a product that came from them if you wouldn’t use their product in a manner that doesn’t enrich them at all? Remember, this isn’t based on like, logic or functionality or power or visibility or anything related to the product - it’s based on an emotional view of someone related to the product. It actually doesn’t matter if you could theorize a way that he gave away his core tech just to screw his ow company over. It’s arguably irrelevant to the conversation. Avoiding just about any company for ethical reasons without avoiding the vast majority is performative or something most people can ignore because it’s insanely personal. I don’t think you spent more than 5 seconds thinking about this if you thought my only POV was “he’d believe me if he thought about this for a few seconds”. I don’t think it’s obvious, I just think it’s significant.
        SadTrombone 5mo ago
        And if you spent more than 5 seconds thinking about this you'd realize that 99% of Firefox users don't know or care who Brendan Eich is. The only one making any moral argument here is you.
- SadTrombone 5mo ago
  If only there was another browser option that was the first word of this thread's title!
  - kulahan 5mo ago
    Well the guy running Brave must’ve had absolutely nothing to do with Brave’s Adblock engine going into Firefox, so I can see why you’re acting so smug. After all, why would the guy involved with Brave be involved with Brave’s thing going somewhere other than Brave? Maybe it’s just random evolution! Excellent point, friend. I can tell you thought it out.
jasonvorhe 5mo ago
If he showed up in the Epstein files I'd stop using Brave. Until then, I'll keep on rolling my eyes whenever someone brings up this stuff from... 2008.
- rpdillon 5mo ago
  Indeed. I wonder if the folks rejecting Brave have also vetted the political beliefs of everyone that delivers their packages, manufactured their phone, and grown their food. The injection of politics into absolutely everything is so arbitrary and harmful.
  - Timon3 5mo ago
    Why should they have to vet everyone? If I learn that the people who deliver my packages, manufacture my phones, or grow my food support practices that I deem fundamentally harmful to society, I change my behavior accordingly. Where does this weird idea come from that I have to vet literally everyone for my rejection of Brave to be valid? > The injection of politics into absolutely everything is so arbitrary and harmful. Are you referring to Eich, or the people who react to his political choices?
    - MarsIronPI 5mo ago
      What technical difference do the social opinions of the people who write your software make? Genuinely curious.
      - Timon3 5mo ago
        What exactly is a "technical difference", and why is only that relevant? I am more than my interactions with software and companies, just like every other human. Why should I focus on an arbitrary subset of factors when making decisions?
        MarsIronPI 5mo ago
        Because the technical factors are what you experience when you interact with software written by a company/person?

I can certainly imagine such a world. I don't use Brave because I don't want to support Brendan Eich.

kulahan 5mo ago

So instead you use, what, Chrome because you want to support Sundar Pichai??

pixxel 5mo ago
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JoshTriplett 5mo ago
You are literally on a thread about Firefox, and you think someone saying they don't use Brave must be using Chrome?
- kulahan 5mo ago
  You are literally in a thread where 90% of the discussion is surrounding chromium and you think this isn’t a connected idea? Edit: also crazy that someone who doesn’t want to support the Brave guy would support the browser using the Brave guy’s stuff, but I guess I see lots of chick-fil-a haters shopping in Amazon these days, so who am I to question what’s in vogue?
  - JoshTriplett 5mo ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47900153 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47900153 > Brendan Eich didn't personally write the code, and he doesn't benefit from Firefox using it. If anything this hurts him, since Firefox is catching up to an advantage of Brave without investing their own development resources. > No matter from what angle I look at this situation, your complaint makes no sense. Don't assume the positions of people who disagree with you are not thought out. It is a dangerous line of reasoning to go "if only they thought it through for more than five seconds they'd agree with me".
    - kulahan 5mo ago
      Right, it still doesn’t make sense. You’re still using a product created by a company run by the guy you supposedly hate, why would you the decide to use a product that came from them if you wouldn’t use their product in a manner that doesn’t enrich them at all? Remember, this isn’t based on like, logic or functionality or power or visibility or anything related to the product - it’s based on an emotional view of someone related to the product. It actually doesn’t matter if you could theorize a way that he gave away his core tech just to screw his ow company over. It’s arguably irrelevant to the conversation. Avoiding just about any company for ethical reasons without avoiding the vast majority is performative or something most people can ignore because it’s insanely personal. I don’t think you spent more than 5 seconds thinking about this if you thought my only POV was “he’d believe me if he thought about this for a few seconds”. I don’t think it’s obvious, I just think it’s significant.
      - SadTrombone 5mo ago
        And if you spent more than 5 seconds thinking about this you'd realize that 99% of Firefox users don't know or care who Brendan Eich is. The only one making any moral argument here is you.
SadTrombone 5mo ago
If only there was another browser option that was the first word of this thread's title!
- kulahan 5mo ago
  Well the guy running Brave must’ve had absolutely nothing to do with Brave’s Adblock engine going into Firefox, so I can see why you’re acting so smug. After all, why would the guy involved with Brave be involved with Brave’s thing going somewhere other than Brave? Maybe it’s just random evolution! Excellent point, friend. I can tell you thought it out.

jasonvorhe 5mo ago

If he showed up in the Epstein files I'd stop using Brave. Until then, I'll keep on rolling my eyes whenever someone brings up this stuff from... 2008.

rpdillon 5mo ago
Indeed. I wonder if the folks rejecting Brave have also vetted the political beliefs of everyone that delivers their packages, manufactured their phone, and grown their food. The injection of politics into absolutely everything is so arbitrary and harmful.
- Timon3 5mo ago
  Why should they have to vet everyone? If I learn that the people who deliver my packages, manufacture my phones, or grow my food support practices that I deem fundamentally harmful to society, I change my behavior accordingly. Where does this weird idea come from that I have to vet literally everyone for my rejection of Brave to be valid? > The injection of politics into absolutely everything is so arbitrary and harmful. Are you referring to Eich, or the people who react to his political choices?
  - MarsIronPI 5mo ago
    What technical difference do the social opinions of the people who write your software make? Genuinely curious.
    - Timon3 5mo ago
      What exactly is a "technical difference", and why is only that relevant? I am more than my interactions with software and companies, just like every other human. Why should I focus on an arbitrary subset of factors when making decisions?
      - MarsIronPI 5mo ago
        Because the technical factors are what you experience when you interact with software written by a company/person?