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It seems weird that Google wouldn't have some kind of observability alert on outgoing email. 10k emails per week is a lot.

compounding_it 5mo ago
What if someone (Google) used Google suite to send 10k emails to fire people. Wouldn’t that be considered normal for the server for a day let alone a week. Yes I know I could have come up with a better example.
- gambiting 5mo ago
  Those would be internal so I'm not sure they'd even count against your quota.
  - compounding_it 5mo ago
    The example was given to say you could be a gsuite customer and have 10k emails a week be very normal. Something that wouldn’t trigger any alarms unless set. The alarms would probably be set on a curve. Something unusual would be far off the curve.
- blitzar 5mo ago
  ye olde corporate reply to all bomb .. no more emails this week everyone, we have used up our quota
superfrank 5mo ago
I'm not sure it actually is. Free Gmail is limited to 500 emails a day, but Workspace accounts are allowed up to 2000, so this this spammer has to be using a Workspace account. I've worked at a start up where the marketing team just had a `marketing@startup.com` email that was just like any other email in Google Workspace and used that for all marketing communications. Eventually they bumped up against that limit and a couple of engineers had to help them troubleshoot and there were enough blog and stack overflow posts at the time about hitting the limit to make make me think what they were doing wasn't uncommon. When you consider the scale of Gmail and that this is almost certainly a Workspace account so they're mixed in with business customers, I'm not sure how much of an anomaly 10k emails a week actually is.
thayne 5mo ago
It may not be a single email, they might be using many throwaway accounts.
likis 5mo ago
10k outgoing emails per week it NOT a lot. Just imagine a weekly newsletter with 100k subscribers.
- pembrook 5mo ago
  You can’t send bulk newsletters from gmail/outlook.
  - xp84 5mo ago
    Well, you can't directly, but you can use SMTP, which you can plug into any garden-variety spamming tool as long as it supports that.
- marcyb5st 5mo ago
  Yeah, you are using the wrong tool if you send your newsletter from a gmail account at that scale. You can get away with a few tens of people, perhaps a few hundreds. Above that threshold you should use tools like moosend, benchmarkemail, or similar. And they ask a pretty penny when you reach that scale.

compounding_it 5mo ago

What if someone (Google) used Google suite to send 10k emails to fire people. Wouldn’t that be considered normal for the server for a day let alone a week. Yes I know I could have come up with a better example.

gambiting 5mo ago
Those would be internal so I'm not sure they'd even count against your quota.
- compounding_it 5mo ago
  The example was given to say you could be a gsuite customer and have 10k emails a week be very normal. Something that wouldn’t trigger any alarms unless set. The alarms would probably be set on a curve. Something unusual would be far off the curve.
blitzar 5mo ago
ye olde corporate reply to all bomb .. no more emails this week everyone, we have used up our quota

superfrank 5mo ago

I'm not sure it actually is. Free Gmail is limited to 500 emails a day, but Workspace accounts are allowed up to 2000, so this this spammer has to be using a Workspace account. I've worked at a start up where the marketing team just had a `marketing@startup.com` email that was just like any other email in Google Workspace and used that for all marketing communications. Eventually they bumped up against that limit and a couple of engineers had to help them troubleshoot and there were enough blog and stack overflow posts at the time about hitting the limit to make make me think what they were doing wasn't uncommon. When you consider the scale of Gmail and that this is almost certainly a Workspace account so they're mixed in with business customers, I'm not sure how much of an anomaly 10k emails a week actually is.

thayne 5mo ago

It may not be a single email, they might be using many throwaway accounts.

likis 5mo ago

10k outgoing emails per week it NOT a lot. Just imagine a weekly newsletter with 100k subscribers.

pembrook 5mo ago
You can’t send bulk newsletters from gmail/outlook.
- xp84 5mo ago
  Well, you can't directly, but you can use SMTP, which you can plug into any garden-variety spamming tool as long as it supports that.
marcyb5st 5mo ago
Yeah, you are using the wrong tool if you send your newsletter from a gmail account at that scale. You can get away with a few tens of people, perhaps a few hundreds. Above that threshold you should use tools like moosend, benchmarkemail, or similar. And they ask a pretty penny when you reach that scale.