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So, Amazon wants to own the tubes too? I guess the stack should be completed with this. AWS servers, satellite communications, boxes to view content on TVs, ap

So, Amazon wants to own the tubes too? I guess the stack should be completed with this. AWS servers, satellite communications, boxes to view content on TVs, apps on mobiles, content creation studios, advertising, product placement, product sales. Whew! I guess they also want expertise to launch stuff into space, in case it becomes feasible to run space data centers.

saltcured 5mo ago
Well if they really want to be full stack, they need to also get down into pharmaceuticals and bio-engineering, right?
ge96 5mo ago
Amazon seems to have a service for everything, one time I saw they had satellite ground station as a service
- jasoncartwright 5mo ago
  https://aws.amazon.com/ground-station/ https://aws.amazon.com/ground-station/
- compounding_it 5mo ago
  I think America in general is moving to a service based economy where you don’t own anything anymore. Everything from cars (lease) to homes (rentals) to electronics to insurance etc comes at a monthly cost. This kind of model works when the central government is trusted (or at least perceived to be trusted) to keep the wheel churning. I think the current government took some of the power back from big tech and people didn’t like it. Very interesting because the whole argument was private companies having too much power. Now the argument is government having too much power.
  - enos_feedler 5mo ago
    You only now just think this? The writing has been on the wall for quite some time. Especially as you move down in age cohort.
    - wolvoleo 5mo ago
      Yes even the WEF has been planning for this for a decade with their "you will own nothing but you will be happy" indoctrination.
  - deleted 5mo ago
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  - vjvjvjvjghv 5mo ago
    At some point government and companies will be merging into one.
piokoch 5mo ago
Why space data centers? What advantage this would have? Cooling will be a big issue, while it is easily solved on the planet earth, as we have water, air that can transfer heat away.
- nish__ 5mo ago
  You don't have to buy real estate.
  - iso1631 5mo ago
    Land is pretty much irellevent in the cost. The Utah Data Center [0] is a 200 acre plot with 35 acres of buildings. Even prime farmland values is arround $10k an acre, or $2m, but for other land you're talking $400k for that much land [1] It uses 65MW. The solar panels alone to generate that cost $100 per kW in bulk, or $6.5m. That's 570GWh a year. Mount Signal 1 Solar plant, from over a decade ago, produces about that currently. Total cost $365m [2]. Then there's the lifetime? What do you do in 36 months time when you want to replace the hardware with the latest generation? In an earthbound one you turn off the rack, remove the old kit, put the new kit in. In space, it just burns up in the atmosphere. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center [1] https://www.land.com/property/201-acres-in-brown-county-nebraska/25350821/ https://www.land.com/property/201-acres-in-brown-county-nebr... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Signal_Solar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Signal_Solar
    - nish__ 5mo ago
      Not for the data center, for the fiber lines.
      - iso1631 5mo ago
        Pretty much zero cost. Or just use your satellite capacity you'd use from your space based DC.
        5mo ago
karavelov 5mo ago
> I guess they also want expertise to launch stuff into space Blue Origin is Jeff Bezos' private aerospace company
bigfatkitten 5mo ago
Probably for their existing L/S-band spectrum and carrier licenses.
trhway 5mo ago
They would also need to protect all this stuff spread globally and into the space. No government will be able to do that - like we've already seen with the datacenters being hit in the Gulf states. Company like AMZN will have all the components for the most modern weapon system - global autonomous drone offense and defense network with the space component (or imagine a 1 GW datacenter in space temporarily rerouting its power into a laser or a microwave effector 80-ies StarWars style :) plus de-facto global intelligence network that each of these companies have, and thus will have and will be able to better protect themselves. Those large BigTechs will unavoidably have to move into defense, for themselves and as-a-service for smaller transnationals.
- iso1631 5mo ago
  There is a constant lack of acceptance of the privatisation of the world in the tech industry. Or of course people realise it but like it. The randian matra of "Private = good, government = bad" always wins out You end up with a private company run by the elite, not the people. One Dollar One Vote.

saltcured 5mo ago

Well if they really want to be full stack, they need to also get down into pharmaceuticals and bio-engineering, right?

ge96 5mo ago

Amazon seems to have a service for everything, one time I saw they had satellite ground station as a service

jasoncartwright 5mo ago
https://aws.amazon.com/ground-station/ https://aws.amazon.com/ground-station/
compounding_it 5mo ago
I think America in general is moving to a service based economy where you don’t own anything anymore. Everything from cars (lease) to homes (rentals) to electronics to insurance etc comes at a monthly cost. This kind of model works when the central government is trusted (or at least perceived to be trusted) to keep the wheel churning. I think the current government took some of the power back from big tech and people didn’t like it. Very interesting because the whole argument was private companies having too much power. Now the argument is government having too much power.
- enos_feedler 5mo ago
  You only now just think this? The writing has been on the wall for quite some time. Especially as you move down in age cohort.
  - wolvoleo 5mo ago
    Yes even the WEF has been planning for this for a decade with their "you will own nothing but you will be happy" indoctrination.
- deleted 5mo ago
  [deleted]
- vjvjvjvjghv 5mo ago
  At some point government and companies will be merging into one.

piokoch 5mo ago

Why space data centers? What advantage this would have? Cooling will be a big issue, while it is easily solved on the planet earth, as we have water, air that can transfer heat away.

nish__ 5mo ago
You don't have to buy real estate.
- iso1631 5mo ago
  Land is pretty much irellevent in the cost. The Utah Data Center [0] is a 200 acre plot with 35 acres of buildings. Even prime farmland values is arround $10k an acre, or $2m, but for other land you're talking $400k for that much land [1] It uses 65MW. The solar panels alone to generate that cost $100 per kW in bulk, or $6.5m. That's 570GWh a year. Mount Signal 1 Solar plant, from over a decade ago, produces about that currently. Total cost $365m [2]. Then there's the lifetime? What do you do in 36 months time when you want to replace the hardware with the latest generation? In an earthbound one you turn off the rack, remove the old kit, put the new kit in. In space, it just burns up in the atmosphere. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center [1] https://www.land.com/property/201-acres-in-brown-county-nebraska/25350821/ https://www.land.com/property/201-acres-in-brown-county-nebr... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Signal_Solar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Signal_Solar
  - nish__ 5mo ago
    Not for the data center, for the fiber lines.
    - iso1631 5mo ago
      Pretty much zero cost. Or just use your satellite capacity you'd use from your space based DC.
      - 5mo ago

karavelov 5mo ago

> I guess they also want expertise to launch stuff into space Blue Origin is Jeff Bezos' private aerospace company

bigfatkitten 5mo ago

Probably for their existing L/S-band spectrum and carrier licenses.

trhway 5mo ago

They would also need to protect all this stuff spread globally and into the space. No government will be able to do that - like we've already seen with the datacenters being hit in the Gulf states. Company like AMZN will have all the components for the most modern weapon system - global autonomous drone offense and defense network with the space component (or imagine a 1 GW datacenter in space temporarily rerouting its power into a laser or a microwave effector 80-ies StarWars style :) plus de-facto global intelligence network that each of these companies have, and thus will have and will be able to better protect themselves. Those large BigTechs will unavoidably have to move into defense, for themselves and as-a-service for smaller transnationals.

iso1631 5mo ago
There is a constant lack of acceptance of the privatisation of the world in the tech industry. Or of course people realise it but like it. The randian matra of "Private = good, government = bad" always wins out You end up with a private company run by the elite, not the people. One Dollar One Vote.