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"very, very obvious" and yet so could be your comment or mine. Can we stop this kind of farming comment already?

by positron26 5mo ago

cwnyth 5mo ago
When the AI-written articles stop, the comments calling it out will stop, too.
- devin 5mo ago
  Nitpicking: Once articles which are _obviously_ AI-written stop, the comments calling it out will (should) stop. It is far more likely that AI-written articles will become harder to spot, not that they will stop being written.
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- nh23423fefe 5mo ago
  vacuous falsity isn't an interesting case to examine
- 7bit 5mo ago
  Means, the crying will never stop
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- positron26 5mo ago
  > calling it out Calling what out? Did we suddenly invent a durable Turing test that will last more than six months? (We didn't, but some people "just know") The only durable metric is if the article is good, if the ideas are good. Everything else is complaining about Bob Dylan's electric guitar.
RugnirViking 5mo ago
are you claiming that you can't recognize default style ai writing after a paragraph or two?
- aionwikipedia 5mo ago
  Yeah the "more than a paragraph or two" is key here. Indicators of AI writing work both ways; the more text you write, the more likely you are to "slip" and use some phrasing or syntactical constructions uncommon in LLM output. (This is why AI detectors perform worse on shorter excerpts.) I posted this elsewhere, but convincingly, consistently "writing like AI" and never slipping once takes an amount of knowledge and skill analogous to art forgery. Except that with art forgery you can at least make millions of dollars off it.
red-iron-pine 5mo ago
"just accept the AI slop, pleb"
lelanthran 5mo ago
> very, very obvious" and yet so could be your comment or mine. Can we stop this kind of farming comment already? If you want to read chatbot output, why are you coming here? There's a ton of free chatbots for you to read. After all, the audience here knows where to go to get chatbot output, but they're coming here instead. What does that tell you?
- positron26 5mo ago
  > What does that tell you? That HN was a neat community fifteen years ago, but like all things cool made by early adopters, it will eventually attract a following hoping to be somewhere, to exist among people doing things, but the tragedy of such followings is that they bring with them their toxicity, their immunity to their own poison, and drown out what they depend on until the early adopters early adopt away. The real slop is all this lazy concern farming from an ant mill that is powerless to do anything except validate its own hand wringing.
  - lelanthran 5mo ago
    > The real slop is all this lazy concern farming from an ant mill that is powerless to do anything except validate its own hand wringing. Which circles back to the question of why, if you want to read AI output, are you still here? You can read that sort of thing just about anywhere else.

"very, very obvious" and yet so could be your comment or mine. Can we stop this kind of farming comment already?

cwnyth 5mo ago

When the AI-written articles stop, the comments calling it out will stop, too.

devin 5mo ago
Nitpicking: Once articles which are _obviously_ AI-written stop, the comments calling it out will (should) stop. It is far more likely that AI-written articles will become harder to spot, not that they will stop being written.
- deleted 5mo ago
  [deleted]
nh23423fefe 5mo ago
vacuous falsity isn't an interesting case to examine
7bit 5mo ago
Means, the crying will never stop
deleted 5mo ago
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positron26 5mo ago
> calling it out Calling what out? Did we suddenly invent a durable Turing test that will last more than six months? (We didn't, but some people "just know") The only durable metric is if the article is good, if the ideas are good. Everything else is complaining about Bob Dylan's electric guitar.

RugnirViking 5mo ago

are you claiming that you can't recognize default style ai writing after a paragraph or two?

aionwikipedia 5mo ago
Yeah the "more than a paragraph or two" is key here. Indicators of AI writing work both ways; the more text you write, the more likely you are to "slip" and use some phrasing or syntactical constructions uncommon in LLM output. (This is why AI detectors perform worse on shorter excerpts.) I posted this elsewhere, but convincingly, consistently "writing like AI" and never slipping once takes an amount of knowledge and skill analogous to art forgery. Except that with art forgery you can at least make millions of dollars off it.

red-iron-pine 5mo ago

"just accept the AI slop, pleb"

lelanthran 5mo ago

> very, very obvious" and yet so could be your comment or mine. Can we stop this kind of farming comment already? If you want to read chatbot output, why are you coming here? There's a ton of free chatbots for you to read. After all, the audience here knows where to go to get chatbot output, but they're coming here instead. What does that tell you?

positron26 5mo ago
> What does that tell you? That HN was a neat community fifteen years ago, but like all things cool made by early adopters, it will eventually attract a following hoping to be somewhere, to exist among people doing things, but the tragedy of such followings is that they bring with them their toxicity, their immunity to their own poison, and drown out what they depend on until the early adopters early adopt away. The real slop is all this lazy concern farming from an ant mill that is powerless to do anything except validate its own hand wringing.
- lelanthran 5mo ago
  > The real slop is all this lazy concern farming from an ant mill that is powerless to do anything except validate its own hand wringing. Which circles back to the question of why, if you want to read AI output, are you still here? You can read that sort of thing just about anywhere else.