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Israel can do better, but Israel committing genocide is not the fact legally.
by daliusd 5mo ago
Israel can do better, but Israel committing genocide is not the fact legally.
- consp 5mo agoThe strict definition of the Geneva conventions does not include forced displacement but in some parts of the world that is included in the definition of. And legality is a matter of tribunal and none has been held so far.
- daliusd 5mo agoYou are mixing war crime and genocide IMHO.
- blitzar 5mo ago"If it doesn't fit, you must acquit" followed closely by the bestseller "If I Did It: Confessions of the Genocider"
- daliusd 5mo agoI guess this is sarcasm, but I don't even understand what you want to say.
- tovej 5mo agoIt is a fact factually, however. I could witness a murder and the murderer committing murder would still not be a fact legally. It's still a fact.
- daliusd 5mo agoMurder and genocide is not the same. Genocide has strict definition.
- tovej 5mo agoSo does murder.
- daliusd 5mo agoSo what's your definition of genocide? Maybe we are discussing about different things.
- tovej 5mo agoThe deliberate destruction of a group of people and its culture (completely or partially). This fits the general description of what Israel has been up to in Palestine since 1948, but especially during the past few years. Indiscriminate killing of civilians. Planned starvation. Poisoning wells. Denying Palestinians the right to return to their homeland. Forbidding the use of Palestinian cultural symbols. Denying Palestinians the right to fish/conduct business. Keeping them under curfew and surveilling their every move, making them as miserable as possible. Mass imprisonment. Denying Palestinians home-ownership. Systematically destroying Palestinians and any chance for them to thrive/ found a state/ have human rights.
- daliusd 5mo ago[dead]
- tovej 5mo agoI see you have replied, but your comment has been marked as dead, so I cannot reply back. You fed my comment to an AI and based your response on what it said. You said some of the claims were "incorrect". Let's leave aside how ridiculous it is to fact-check with an LLM. if you go back and read what the AI actually generated, however, you will see that every claim has factual basis, the LLM just marked some as "narrow factual basis", for no particular reason. If it has been documented, it is fact, the LLM is just confused. Every one of these, when done systematically (and they are) is a component of genocide. About half of them would be enough to constitute genocide on their own. Displacing more than half of a population (as Israel has done TWICE in history) is definitely genocide. If you are truly interested in educating yourself, you can start by reading the following wikipedia page (even just the intro): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide
- abustamam 5mo agoSo why isn't what Israel doing genocide?
- daliusd 5mo agoGenocide definition is: the deliberate, systematic destruction—in whole or in part—of a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group Israel most probably did war crimes (white phosphorus usage seems to be confirmed, while IDF says they have not used it), but I don't think that Israeli has intention to destroy Palestinians. The have intention to destroy Hamas or Hezbollah.
- tovej 5mo ago1) Hezbollah is not Palestinian. 2) Israel has had genocidal plans for Palestinians since before Hamas existed (see the Nakba). In fact, Likud brought Hamas to power, because they saw them as a more fitting opponent than other groups (who were less militant). 3) Israeli politicians (not just current ones) have candidly stated they wish to destroy Palestine, Palestinians, and any chance for them to live in theur homeland For gods sake, educate yourself. One easy thing to look up is a timeseries of deaths/year of Israelis due to Palestinian violence vs. deaths of Palestinians due to Israeli violence. That should do enough to dispel you of the idea that Palestinians are the terrorists in this case
- afpx 5mo agoI don't see how anyone can defend Israel at this point. How?
- daliusd 5mo agoWhy not? There is at least theoretical chance to get some justice regarding Benjamin Netanyahu crimes if they are proved. As well Israel is democracy and can be changed. It is not like Russia where people don't have freedom of word. What's your proposal and vision regarding Israel?
- afpx 5mo agoWell, considering that the odds of a person on Earth not being a descendant of Abraham is practically zero, why not give Israeli citizenship to everyone? Of course, with special protections for the Jewish people. Then, we can be done with the everlasting conflict.
- suslik 5mo agoGetting downvoted by all the emotional people here is not worth it; this thread does not welcome a polite discussion especially from the pro-Israel side. Like in any social media with a voting system (terrible idea, I might add), the vocal and active majority wants to disentivise the disagreement.
- daliusd 5mo agoI don’t see any pro-Israel side commenter here but me at best. IMHO I do my best to keep discussion as polite as possible having in mind the sensitivity of the topic.
- ragazzina 5mo agoIn your opinion, which international entity do you regard as the final authority for the formal recognition of this legal fact?
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- daliusd 5mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa%27s_genocide_case_against_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa%27s_genocide_case...
- senordevnyc 5mo ago"...is an ongoing case..."
- daliusd 5mo agoExactly
- ragazzina 5mo agoSo you would believe an authority of the UN. Considering the US has imposed sanctions on UN employees, do you see any conflict of interest there?
- daliusd 5mo agoIn this specific case it is something interesting to follow and to analyze. This will definitely have consequences on Russian-Ukrainian war too. UN overall is powerless - there are 7000+ UN peacekeepers in South Lebanon right now. What are they doing there?
- ragazzina 5mo agoI don't understand your point. You contested a fact "legally", but in your opinion the only authority that should have the final "legal" say in the matter is an impartial and weak one.