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An interesting perspective I see all over X and reddit is calling these people heroes, but only once the rescue happened. The more tame responses simply state t

An interesting perspective I see all over X and reddit is calling these people heroes, but only once the rescue happened. The more tame responses simply state that they are happy everyone was rescued and no military was harmed. Why? Those pilots were flying over Iran illegally, presumably to inflict fatal harm on whichever targets.

Smoosh 6mo ago
Perhaps they are thinking "I Like People Who Weren't Captured".
anovikov 6mo ago
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- hollerith 6mo ago
  >Without Israel, all Western civilisation is toast. Why is that?
  - anovikov 6mo ago
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    - ozlikethewizard 6mo ago
      This is barely an argument so I'm not going to bother engaging too much but two things, conflating Judaism and Israel is anti-semitic as hell, and ethno-states are bad.
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- C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 6mo ago
  > Without Israel, all Western civilisation is toast Before Israel was established in 1948, was Western civilization toast? Or was it the power of the "western civilization" that conquered and ruled the world for centuries beforehand that allowed the creation of Israel?
xyzzy123 6mo ago
Conversely I find it strange how many people seem to want US servicemen to come to harm because it would validate their political views.
- anovikov 6mo ago
  It's simple "us vs them". I see nothing wrong about it.
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    - defrost 6mo ago
      > a country that lobs cluster munitions https://www.npr.org/2023/07/11/1186949348/us-cluster-munitions-civilian-casualties-laos https://www.npr.org/2023/07/11/1186949348/us-cluster-munitio... > and YOLO fires missiles at its neighbours Perfidy in international waters? Double tap kill strikes on fishing boats? So far, Pot meet Kettle.
      - xyzzy123 6mo ago
        I'm not claiming the US is "good"! I'm saying I would prefer a world where IRGC doesn't have long range nuclear weapons.
        remarkEon 6mo ago
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        tastyface 6mo ago
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sgt 6mo ago
Illegally? We're at war with Iran. They have consistently supported terrorism, they have an illegal nuclear program. They're lucky it's still at this level.
- nicbou 6mo ago
  Isn't that war illegal? Doesn't congress need to approve these things? Speaking of terrorism, only one of the belligerents has been antagonizing both its allies and its enemies recently. Didn't they just snatch another country's head of state? Try a decapitation strike unprompted against Iran? Threaten to invade Canada, Greenland and Cuba? If one regime is using terror to achieve political aims these days...
  - ratrace 6mo ago
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  - HDThoreaun 6mo ago
    No, Congress does not need to approve military action for it to be legal.
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- spaghetdefects 6mo ago
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remarkEon 6mo ago
Perhaps the most interesting phenomenon I see, on X and elsewhere, is that there are many people who are actively rooting for Americans to die. It has been very revealing in a "see who your real friends are" kind of way. It's quite different from the GWOT, where a sort of cold indifference was common. This time there's europeans and even some Americans who are anxious to see Americans shot down and killed. This is probably the logical end state of believing that the other team is "literally hitler" for so long, amplified by the newsfeed algorithm.
- Schmerika 6mo ago
  > It has been very revealing in a "see who your real friends are" kind of way. Nah, not really. If I had 'friends' who went about kidnapping and assassinating leaders, mass murdering little girls, bombing literally hundreds of schools in a month, blowing up civilian bridges and power plants, etc etc etc... I wouldn't need to invoke "the newsfeed algorithm" to explain why people are genuinely happy to see the people committing those atrocities get a tiny taste of what they've been inflicting. Friends don't let friends commit war crimes. And indeed, from that perspective, America might never have had any real friends. We've just been the biggest bully with the biggest stick, the kid whose parents owned the biggest local news channel and industry. And frankly, friendship with America doesn't even come with the same perks as it used to. You want Europe to buy all their oil and weapons from the US at inflated prices? You want to stir shit up all over the world and then use the ensuing refugee crisis to bolster far right parties across Europe? You want to have a go at Greenland?? ... And then complain that we don't have any "real friends" except Israel any more?! Well shit dude, I wonder why. Spoiler alert: It's not because Hitler comparisons are being amplified by the evil anti-genocide media.
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- sosomoxie 6mo ago
  As an American rooting for Iran, I can offer my perspective. My country is occupied by Israel and used to commit the most heinous crimes against humanity that anyone could imagine. I am sick of it. Iran are fighting the very people occupying my government and the occupied government itself. They are on my side, hell they even offered to bomb Palantir! I'm rooting for the end of Zionism and Iran is really my only hope to make that happen. This situation has been apparent for a long time, so I do not feel sorry for the people who signed up to fight in Israel's proxy military -- a military that was already guilty of mass war crimes prior to being occupied I might add.

Smoosh 6mo ago

Perhaps they are thinking "I Like People Who Weren't Captured".

anovikov 6mo ago

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hollerith 6mo ago
>Without Israel, all Western civilisation is toast. Why is that?
- anovikov 6mo ago
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  - ozlikethewizard 6mo ago
    This is barely an argument so I'm not going to bother engaging too much but two things, conflating Judaism and Israel is anti-semitic as hell, and ethno-states are bad.
  - deleted 6mo ago
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C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 6mo ago
> Without Israel, all Western civilisation is toast Before Israel was established in 1948, was Western civilization toast? Or was it the power of the "western civilization" that conquered and ruled the world for centuries beforehand that allowed the creation of Israel?

xyzzy123 6mo ago

Conversely I find it strange how many people seem to want US servicemen to come to harm because it would validate their political views.

anovikov 6mo ago
It's simple "us vs them". I see nothing wrong about it.
- xyzzy123 6mo ago
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  - defrost 6mo ago
    > a country that lobs cluster munitions https://www.npr.org/2023/07/11/1186949348/us-cluster-munitions-civilian-casualties-laos https://www.npr.org/2023/07/11/1186949348/us-cluster-munitio... > and YOLO fires missiles at its neighbours Perfidy in international waters? Double tap kill strikes on fishing boats? So far, Pot meet Kettle.
    - xyzzy123 6mo ago
      I'm not claiming the US is "good"! I'm saying I would prefer a world where IRGC doesn't have long range nuclear weapons.
      - remarkEon 6mo ago
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        tastyface 6mo ago
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sgt 6mo ago

Illegally? We're at war with Iran. They have consistently supported terrorism, they have an illegal nuclear program. They're lucky it's still at this level.

nicbou 6mo ago
Isn't that war illegal? Doesn't congress need to approve these things? Speaking of terrorism, only one of the belligerents has been antagonizing both its allies and its enemies recently. Didn't they just snatch another country's head of state? Try a decapitation strike unprompted against Iran? Threaten to invade Canada, Greenland and Cuba? If one regime is using terror to achieve political aims these days...
- ratrace 6mo ago
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- remarkEon 6mo ago
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- HDThoreaun 6mo ago
  No, Congress does not need to approve military action for it to be legal.
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spaghetdefects 6mo ago
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- _DeadFred_ 6mo ago
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remarkEon 6mo ago

Perhaps the most interesting phenomenon I see, on X and elsewhere, is that there are many people who are actively rooting for Americans to die. It has been very revealing in a "see who your real friends are" kind of way. It's quite different from the GWOT, where a sort of cold indifference was common. This time there's europeans and even some Americans who are anxious to see Americans shot down and killed. This is probably the logical end state of believing that the other team is "literally hitler" for so long, amplified by the newsfeed algorithm.

Schmerika 6mo ago
> It has been very revealing in a "see who your real friends are" kind of way. Nah, not really. If I had 'friends' who went about kidnapping and assassinating leaders, mass murdering little girls, bombing literally hundreds of schools in a month, blowing up civilian bridges and power plants, etc etc etc... I wouldn't need to invoke "the newsfeed algorithm" to explain why people are genuinely happy to see the people committing those atrocities get a tiny taste of what they've been inflicting. Friends don't let friends commit war crimes. And indeed, from that perspective, America might never have had any real friends. We've just been the biggest bully with the biggest stick, the kid whose parents owned the biggest local news channel and industry. And frankly, friendship with America doesn't even come with the same perks as it used to. You want Europe to buy all their oil and weapons from the US at inflated prices? You want to stir shit up all over the world and then use the ensuing refugee crisis to bolster far right parties across Europe? You want to have a go at Greenland?? ... And then complain that we don't have any "real friends" except Israel any more?! Well shit dude, I wonder why. Spoiler alert: It's not because Hitler comparisons are being amplified by the evil anti-genocide media.
- remarkEon 6mo ago
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sosomoxie 6mo ago
As an American rooting for Iran, I can offer my perspective. My country is occupied by Israel and used to commit the most heinous crimes against humanity that anyone could imagine. I am sick of it. Iran are fighting the very people occupying my government and the occupied government itself. They are on my side, hell they even offered to bomb Palantir! I'm rooting for the end of Zionism and Iran is really my only hope to make that happen. This situation has been apparent for a long time, so I do not feel sorry for the people who signed up to fight in Israel's proxy military -- a military that was already guilty of mass war crimes prior to being occupied I might add.