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it’s been “new” fir as long as i have known about it, over 5 years or so? or is this a different thing?
by woleium 6mo ago
it’s been “new” fir as long as i have known about it, over 5 years or so? or is this a different thing?
- OsrsNeedsf2P 6mo agoDoesn't look that active either. It unfortunately seems like there isn't a great use case for these networks that will adopt usage through the hurdles
- akho 6mo agoTailscale somehow found use for self-hosters, despite being wildly unergonomic for an all-Linux, non-corporate, network. Yggdrasil lacks marketing effort, but is otherwise a great option.
- MarsIronPI 6mo agoI actually use Yggdrasil in lieu of Tailscale because I love the idea of a decentralized routing system.
- rubatuga 6mo agoI never understand why people enjoy having a centralized control plane.
- hnav 6mo agoeasier to implement and understand
- MarsIronPI 6mo agoI can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but assuming you're not: Tailscale makes security easier because networks are private by default. To achieve a similar effect with Yggdrasil you'd have to use a firewall to whitelist the Yggdrasil IPs of all your devices. So it's more work to set up.
- akho 6mo agoYou have to use a firewall anyway. If you use Tailscale, you have two firewalls, which is not strictly easier.
- MarsIronPI 6mo agoHuh? I thought one of the appeals of Tailscale is that security is done at the network level; plus that your network is private, so you don't get randos knocking at your ports.
- akho 6mo agoWhat does “at the network level” mean?.. Anyway; Tailscale is not your only network. If you’re on a laptop, you need to be able to log onto rando wifi networks. If you’re at home, you need to be mindful of your smart fridge going rogue. You need to run a firewall. Tailscale adds a separate, Tailscale-specific, firewall with centralized management. Now you have two firewalls.
- MarsIronPI 6mo agoAh, I see what you mean now. Yes, that's true; you'd still need a firewall for LAN. > What does “at the network level” mean?.. I meant the normal non-Tailscale firewall (e.g. iptables).
- pwndByDeath 6mo agoI don't recall the year but it was a long while ago, the developer and CJD from cjdns were chatting about ygg, very similar projects just different projects. The point was to put routing and privacy at the foundation of "the internet" It was mostly a response to the knowledge of prolific government and corporate spying. There are public nodes to piggyback on the legacy internet but it's another project that let's users build and control their own infrastructure, e.g. mesh-local Also see CJDNS, darknet project and hyperboria
- yjftsjthsd-h 6mo agoActually, could anyone compare this to cjdns? On the surface they seem pretty similar. Docs say: > Yggdrasil was created in order to build a decentralised routing scheme for mesh networks that can potentially operate at a global scale, motivated in particular by significant performance and scaling issues that were present in cjdns at the time. ( https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/faq.html https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/faq.html ) but that was a while back; where do they stand today?
- pwndByDeath 6mo agoI always thought of them as the same.basic idea, but CJD went on to make a network crypto thing that I never really understood. Ygg and cjdns are the same from a cosmetic point of view just different developers. IMO ygg is easy to install, cjdns was adding some new dev things that complicated the non developer experience, but that was a few years ago
- rubatuga 6mo agoI mean, it just had a release in Feb 2026, version 0.5.13.