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> That's not pedantry. There's a huge difference between "they were simply unavailable and I couldn't get one at any price" and "I could have bought one from a

> That's not pedantry. There's a huge difference between "they were simply unavailable and I couldn't get one at any price" and "I could have bought one from a scalper but I didn't trust them". Even if it's reasonable not to trust them (it is!), the first statement is sensational, and untrue, especially considering you emphasized "at any price" in your original comment. It is for any normal person in relatively normal setting. Only amongst technical people is this sort of discourse tolerated where someone pretends that an unreasonable option (the scalper in this case as you admitted yourself) should be included in a statement when it is perfectly obvious it should not be included because it is not in any way reasonable. I could have flown to the US and bought a card or China. Is that reasonable? For most people it isn't reasonable. It wasn't for me. Buying from an untrustworthy seller, is unreasonable. > the first statement is sensational, and untrue, especially considering you emphasized "at any price" in your original comment. They were out of stock on every reputable site. Therefore I could not buy a card at any price from them because they didn't exist. > That's what you should have said in the first place; that would have been honest and correct. I was honest and correct to begin with. The poster was using prices and availability in the US and not the UK. > And please, there's no need to call the other poster names. I never called them names. I expressed my annoyance at their behaviour.

Dylan16807 6mo ago
> It is for any normal person in relatively normal setting. A normal person understands scalping and that if they want it badly enough they can go on ebay. They're not going to say it's "unavailable at any price" when it's right there for double the price. If you're willing to pay the scalped price, the risk of using ebay is not in fact unreasonable.
- JollySharp0 6mo ago
  You are being a pendant as far as I am concerned and arguing semantics with me is not going to convince me and many others. So I suggest in future you should learn that using this line of logic (where you expect me to do something unreasonable to a huge number of people) is not something that people are going to put up with. It is really annoying to have to converse in this manner and in fact I believe that often that is wholly disingenuous and I no longer wish to speak to you.
  - Dylan16807 6mo ago
    If I categorized these situations the way you do, and I said what I'm saying, I would be a pedant. But I see things a different way. The logic I'm actually using is not pedantic. You calling me disingenuous over this is painful to look at. Get out of your own head for a second. We're using different premises, and we're reaching different conclusions because of that. My logic is fine, and your logic is fine.
    - JollySharp0 6mo ago
      > If I categorized these situations the way you do, and I said what I'm saying, I would be a pedant. I am not categorising any situation. The vast majority of people would omit unreasonable options. I could buy a racing bike that is £5000 new, for £200 when I live in London (back in 2000s). The bike would most likely would have been stolen. So technically I can buy a £5000 bike for £200. But most people wouldn't want to buy from a thief and consider it unethical. People feel similarly about scalpers and other untrustworthy sellers. > You calling me disingenuous over this is painful to look at. Get out of your own head for a second. You started the conversation claiming I was outright lying. Then when I clarified to you what I meant you continued claiming I was lying/misstating. That is really annoying. If you could have just said "okay that is fair, while you might have been doing X and Y, I can understand why you didn't want to do that". That would have been fine. But that didn't happen.
      - jrflowers 6mo ago
        I like these many posts about how you, specifically, chose not to use any of the available systems to get a GPU that rapidly organized and became common globally during lockdown. The line from “I just didn’t feel like doing something once” through to “My predictions for the future about a different problem are obviously true” is clear as day. Can’t see why anyone would disagree
        JollySharp0 6mo ago
        > I like these many posts about how you, specifically, chose not to use any of the available systems to get a GPU that rapidly organized and became common globally during lockdown. You like the other people are was arguing with are pretending that the options were reasonable. They weren't at the time. Many other people I know thought the same. There was no stock for any GPU except for absolute crap on any of the retail sites in the UK. There are not many options in the UK generally. It is not like the US. As far as I am concerned what you are engaging is effectively gas-lighting. > The line from “I just didn’t feel like doing something once” through to “My predictions for the future about a different problem are obviously true” is clear as day. Can’t see why anyone would disagree If you deliberately want to misunderstand what is said you could draw that conclusion. Which is blatantly what you are doing. The only thing I claimed about the current high price DRAM situation is: 1) It is likely to get worse before it gets better (due to supply chain issues due to current wars). 2) It resolve itself over time and you should be patient and just make your existing stuff last as long as possible. That is how any crisis often plays out and I was actually telling people in my original statement not to be all doom and gloom and just be patient. It will sort itself out. It won't be this year for sure.
kelnos 6mo ago
> It is for any normal person in relatively normal setting. I disagree. But clearly I'm not going to convince you (and vice versa), so let's just call it a day. > I never called them names. I expressed my annoyance at their behaviour. "Smart arse" is name-calling. Why don't you step back from the keyboard for a bit and cool down. Might do you some good.
- JollySharp0 6mo ago
  > I disagree. But clearly I'm not going to convince you (and vice versa), so let's just call it a day. Try it in a IRL conversation and see how quickly someone gets annoyed with you. It won't be very long. > "Smart arse" is name-calling. I said "If you are going to be a smart arse". Which means "If you are going to engage in this behaviour then ...". I never called anyone names. > Why don't you step back from the keyboard for a bit and cool down. Might do you some good. I am perfectly fine. I can be mildly annoyed by someone and still be quite rational. Also this sort of statement is close to concern trolling.
8note 6mo ago
i would certainly consider "at any price" to mean that you'd be willing to pay the 5x price to 20 different scammers and still got no card. there might be a cultural difference between the old world and new world for what "at any price" means, but id take it to mean that to be at least spending $1M for it

Dylan16807 6mo ago

> It is for any normal person in relatively normal setting. A normal person understands scalping and that if they want it badly enough they can go on ebay. They're not going to say it's "unavailable at any price" when it's right there for double the price. If you're willing to pay the scalped price, the risk of using ebay is not in fact unreasonable.

JollySharp0 6mo ago
You are being a pendant as far as I am concerned and arguing semantics with me is not going to convince me and many others. So I suggest in future you should learn that using this line of logic (where you expect me to do something unreasonable to a huge number of people) is not something that people are going to put up with. It is really annoying to have to converse in this manner and in fact I believe that often that is wholly disingenuous and I no longer wish to speak to you.
- Dylan16807 6mo ago
  If I categorized these situations the way you do, and I said what I'm saying, I would be a pedant. But I see things a different way. The logic I'm actually using is not pedantic. You calling me disingenuous over this is painful to look at. Get out of your own head for a second. We're using different premises, and we're reaching different conclusions because of that. My logic is fine, and your logic is fine.
  - JollySharp0 6mo ago
    > If I categorized these situations the way you do, and I said what I'm saying, I would be a pedant. I am not categorising any situation. The vast majority of people would omit unreasonable options. I could buy a racing bike that is £5000 new, for £200 when I live in London (back in 2000s). The bike would most likely would have been stolen. So technically I can buy a £5000 bike for £200. But most people wouldn't want to buy from a thief and consider it unethical. People feel similarly about scalpers and other untrustworthy sellers. > You calling me disingenuous over this is painful to look at. Get out of your own head for a second. You started the conversation claiming I was outright lying. Then when I clarified to you what I meant you continued claiming I was lying/misstating. That is really annoying. If you could have just said "okay that is fair, while you might have been doing X and Y, I can understand why you didn't want to do that". That would have been fine. But that didn't happen.
    - jrflowers 6mo ago
      I like these many posts about how you, specifically, chose not to use any of the available systems to get a GPU that rapidly organized and became common globally during lockdown. The line from “I just didn’t feel like doing something once” through to “My predictions for the future about a different problem are obviously true” is clear as day. Can’t see why anyone would disagree
      - JollySharp0 6mo ago
        > I like these many posts about how you, specifically, chose not to use any of the available systems to get a GPU that rapidly organized and became common globally during lockdown. You like the other people are was arguing with are pretending that the options were reasonable. They weren't at the time. Many other people I know thought the same. There was no stock for any GPU except for absolute crap on any of the retail sites in the UK. There are not many options in the UK generally. It is not like the US. As far as I am concerned what you are engaging is effectively gas-lighting. > The line from “I just didn’t feel like doing something once” through to “My predictions for the future about a different problem are obviously true” is clear as day. Can’t see why anyone would disagree If you deliberately want to misunderstand what is said you could draw that conclusion. Which is blatantly what you are doing. The only thing I claimed about the current high price DRAM situation is: 1) It is likely to get worse before it gets better (due to supply chain issues due to current wars). 2) It resolve itself over time and you should be patient and just make your existing stuff last as long as possible. That is how any crisis often plays out and I was actually telling people in my original statement not to be all doom and gloom and just be patient. It will sort itself out. It won't be this year for sure.

kelnos 6mo ago

> It is for any normal person in relatively normal setting. I disagree. But clearly I'm not going to convince you (and vice versa), so let's just call it a day. > I never called them names. I expressed my annoyance at their behaviour. "Smart arse" is name-calling. Why don't you step back from the keyboard for a bit and cool down. Might do you some good.

JollySharp0 6mo ago
> I disagree. But clearly I'm not going to convince you (and vice versa), so let's just call it a day. Try it in a IRL conversation and see how quickly someone gets annoyed with you. It won't be very long. > "Smart arse" is name-calling. I said "If you are going to be a smart arse". Which means "If you are going to engage in this behaviour then ...". I never called anyone names. > Why don't you step back from the keyboard for a bit and cool down. Might do you some good. I am perfectly fine. I can be mildly annoyed by someone and still be quite rational. Also this sort of statement is close to concern trolling.

8note 6mo ago

i would certainly consider "at any price" to mean that you'd be willing to pay the 5x price to 20 different scammers and still got no card. there might be a cultural difference between the old world and new world for what "at any price" means, but id take it to mean that to be at least spending $1M for it