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The US attacked Iran because Israel was going to do so anyway. If they didn't attack, that missile wouldn't have killed 150 schoolgirls. Sure, the target was a

The US attacked Iran because Israel was going to do so anyway. If they didn't attack, that missile wouldn't have killed 150 schoolgirls. Sure, the target was a mistake, but mistakes happen when you shoot thousands of missiles and drop thousands of bombs. If they had not attacked, the girls would be alive.

ericmay 6mo ago
If Iran hadn't funded and supplied Hamas who then attacked and killed how many people (how many were little girls who were murdered and raped by Hamas?) then Israel wouldn't have had to bomb Iran. You can go back and forth on who did what first but it ultimately accomplishes nothing in this scenario.
- manyaoman 6mo ago
  > how many were little girls who were murdered and raped by Hamas? That'd be news to me, can you share some sources?
  - ericmay 6mo ago
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    - manyaoman 6mo ago
      So I guess October 7th wasn't actually tragic enough for you and should be embellished with claims about "little girls who were murdered and raped"?
      - ericmay 6mo ago
        Not an embellishment, though you are right that the tragedy alone proves my point. Anyway back to Iran - those are the bad guys. Their regime killed by many estimates 30,000 of their own people for peacefully protesting already. They're conscripting child soldiers [1], attacking apartment buildings in neighboring Gulf States, and are hanging people as young as 19 for protesting [2]. They're actively helping Russia prosecute their war against Ukraine by selling drones and other technology. They're responsible for funding and inciting terrorist groups as recognized by the United States and European Union (Hezbollah, Hamas, and more) which have indiscriminately attacked civilians in many countries and continue to threaten international shipping even prior to American attacks on their military infrastructure. They're doing all of this while pursuing a nuclear weapon, which will of course be a catastrophe for nuclear non-proliferation as the Gulf States will certainly work to acquire their own, and they've been ramping up and deploying extensive missile capabilities so that they can force Gulf States to acquiesce to any of their demands, else they attack and shut down oil shipments. Tehran ran out of water because the money the regime has was spent on military forces and funding destabilizing proxy military groups for no good reason. [1] https://www.hrw.org/news/2026/03/30/iran-military-stepping-up-child-recruitment https://www.hrw.org/news/2026/03/30/iran-military-stepping-u... [2] https://www.cnn.com/2026/03/20/middleeast/tehran-sends-clear-warning-with-execution-of-protest-linked-men-analysts-say-latam-intl https://www.cnn.com/2026/03/20/middleeast/tehran-sends-clear...
        alsetmusic 6mo ago
        You're spreading debunked Israeli lies. How 2 debunked accounts of sexual violence on Oct. 7 fueled a global dispute over Israel-Hamas war [0] As Israel continues to use debunked claims of sexual violence to justify genocide, feminist movements must push back [1] Screams Without Words [2] 0. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/how-2-debunked-accounts-of-sexual-violence-on-oct-7-fueled-a-global-dispute-over-israel-hamas-war https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/how-2-debunked-accounts-o... 1. https://prismreports.org/2024/10/09/feminist-movements-push-back-against-debunked-sexual-violence-claims/ https://prismreports.org/2024/10/09/feminist-movements-push-... 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screams_Without_Words https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screams_Without_Words
        ericmay 6mo ago
        Ok I'm "spreading debunked Israeli lies" - they were only murdered, not raped and murdered. At least what the US did was an accident, unlike what Hamas did. What point are you trying to make here? We're talking about the atrocities that Iran has committed and how it is responsible for so much death and destruction.
        alsetmusic 6mo ago
        You're blindly believing the propaganda from two truly evil governments (Israel, USA) about a country that they absolutely want to destroy. Why don't you question the legitimacy of what they tell us.
        ericmay 6mo ago
        Iran murdered at least 30,000 of its own civilians. This is verified by "non-evil" governments around the world.
- mmustapic 6mo ago
  So what does the US have to do with this?
  - ericmay 6mo ago
    What does the US have to do with what?
    - mmustapic 6mo ago
      I said that if the US hadn’t intervened in the war then the school wouldn’t have been bombed, and you switched to Hamas and Israel.
      - ericmay 6mo ago
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        mmustapic 6mo ago
        Why should the US intervene in a bombing campaign against Iran if the problem is between Hamas and Israel?
        ericmay 6mo ago
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        donkeybeer 6mo ago
        Their problem, not Americans
        ericmay 6mo ago
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        6mo ago
- OkayPhysicist 6mo ago
  If Israel wants to bomb Iran, whatever, that's Israel's problem. The fact that we (the United States) continue to give unquestioning support to Israel is the problem. If Israel want's America's help, they should need to heel to America's interests, and I completely fail to see how fucking up the global oil trade benefits us.
  - ericmay 6mo ago
    I don't think it's quite that simple. Of course you know the isolationist point of view goes many directions. If Russia wants to bomb Ukraine, whatever, that's Ukraine and Russia's problem, &c. (I believe in engagement in both conflicts myself). Israel alone can't really stop Iran anyway besides their "mowing the grass" strategy but how long will that work? But you have to think about the future state. What does an Iran that continues to: - Build and supply drones and drone technology to Russia - Build and purchase missiles and missile launchers - Continue to pursue a nuclear weapons - Continue to fund groups recognized as terrorist organizations by the United States, European Union, and others .... look like? Well, if they have 1,000 missiles today and that's giving us a problem (I'm not sure the true extent to which it is a problem really) and then they have 5,000 missiles tomorrow maybe sprinkle in some Chinese hypersonic missiles just to see if they can take out an American aircraft carrier or other sensitive military equipment, and now when Iran decides to close the Straight or tax the Gulf States or whatever other crazy idea they get in their heads we're facing a much, much bigger problem. It's like having a North Korea in the Middle East. We can't have that. We have seen that movie already and it does not turn out great. And that's excluding nuclear weapons or an arms race in the Middle East. You can certainly see how easy it would be for the Gulf States to decide Iran is such a threat that they start loading up on missiles and maybe everyone decides they need a nuclear deterrent and now we've got maybe 2-3 countries including Iran with nuclear weapons and there's nothing we can do about it. Folks like to paint this as an Israel problem, and yea they've done some bad stuff too but this isn't just an Israel problem nor is it just an America problem. It's just that unfortunately the United States is the one that yet again has to go be involved to try and deal with some chaos now to prevent an untenable situation later. I think it's certainly worthwhile to debate various assumptions, capabilities, &c. but at the end of the day it's important to actually take a look at many aspects of this situation and to try peace together what's really driving this conflict. If your frame of reference is just "what are we doing there?" I'm afraid it puts you at a real disadvantage in terms of understanding the conflict and its repercussions.

ericmay 6mo ago

If Iran hadn't funded and supplied Hamas who then attacked and killed how many people (how many were little girls who were murdered and raped by Hamas?) then Israel wouldn't have had to bomb Iran. You can go back and forth on who did what first but it ultimately accomplishes nothing in this scenario.

manyaoman 6mo ago
> how many were little girls who were murdered and raped by Hamas? That'd be news to me, can you share some sources?
- ericmay 6mo ago
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  - manyaoman 6mo ago
    So I guess October 7th wasn't actually tragic enough for you and should be embellished with claims about "little girls who were murdered and raped"?
    - ericmay 6mo ago
      Not an embellishment, though you are right that the tragedy alone proves my point. Anyway back to Iran - those are the bad guys. Their regime killed by many estimates 30,000 of their own people for peacefully protesting already. They're conscripting child soldiers [1], attacking apartment buildings in neighboring Gulf States, and are hanging people as young as 19 for protesting [2]. They're actively helping Russia prosecute their war against Ukraine by selling drones and other technology. They're responsible for funding and inciting terrorist groups as recognized by the United States and European Union (Hezbollah, Hamas, and more) which have indiscriminately attacked civilians in many countries and continue to threaten international shipping even prior to American attacks on their military infrastructure. They're doing all of this while pursuing a nuclear weapon, which will of course be a catastrophe for nuclear non-proliferation as the Gulf States will certainly work to acquire their own, and they've been ramping up and deploying extensive missile capabilities so that they can force Gulf States to acquiesce to any of their demands, else they attack and shut down oil shipments. Tehran ran out of water because the money the regime has was spent on military forces and funding destabilizing proxy military groups for no good reason. [1] https://www.hrw.org/news/2026/03/30/iran-military-stepping-up-child-recruitment https://www.hrw.org/news/2026/03/30/iran-military-stepping-u... [2] https://www.cnn.com/2026/03/20/middleeast/tehran-sends-clear-warning-with-execution-of-protest-linked-men-analysts-say-latam-intl https://www.cnn.com/2026/03/20/middleeast/tehran-sends-clear...
      - alsetmusic 6mo ago
        You're spreading debunked Israeli lies. How 2 debunked accounts of sexual violence on Oct. 7 fueled a global dispute over Israel-Hamas war [0] As Israel continues to use debunked claims of sexual violence to justify genocide, feminist movements must push back [1] Screams Without Words [2] 0. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/how-2-debunked-accounts-of-sexual-violence-on-oct-7-fueled-a-global-dispute-over-israel-hamas-war https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/how-2-debunked-accounts-o... 1. https://prismreports.org/2024/10/09/feminist-movements-push-back-against-debunked-sexual-violence-claims/ https://prismreports.org/2024/10/09/feminist-movements-push-... 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screams_Without_Words https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screams_Without_Words
        ericmay 6mo ago
        Ok I'm "spreading debunked Israeli lies" - they were only murdered, not raped and murdered. At least what the US did was an accident, unlike what Hamas did. What point are you trying to make here? We're talking about the atrocities that Iran has committed and how it is responsible for so much death and destruction.
        alsetmusic 6mo ago
        You're blindly believing the propaganda from two truly evil governments (Israel, USA) about a country that they absolutely want to destroy. Why don't you question the legitimacy of what they tell us.
        ericmay 6mo ago
        Iran murdered at least 30,000 of its own civilians. This is verified by "non-evil" governments around the world.
mmustapic 6mo ago
So what does the US have to do with this?
- ericmay 6mo ago
  What does the US have to do with what?
  - mmustapic 6mo ago
    I said that if the US hadn’t intervened in the war then the school wouldn’t have been bombed, and you switched to Hamas and Israel.
    - ericmay 6mo ago
      [flagged]
      - mmustapic 6mo ago
        Why should the US intervene in a bombing campaign against Iran if the problem is between Hamas and Israel?
        ericmay 6mo ago
        [flagged]
        donkeybeer 6mo ago
        Their problem, not Americans
        ericmay 6mo ago
        [flagged]
        6mo ago
OkayPhysicist 6mo ago
If Israel wants to bomb Iran, whatever, that's Israel's problem. The fact that we (the United States) continue to give unquestioning support to Israel is the problem. If Israel want's America's help, they should need to heel to America's interests, and I completely fail to see how fucking up the global oil trade benefits us.
- ericmay 6mo ago
  I don't think it's quite that simple. Of course you know the isolationist point of view goes many directions. If Russia wants to bomb Ukraine, whatever, that's Ukraine and Russia's problem, &c. (I believe in engagement in both conflicts myself). Israel alone can't really stop Iran anyway besides their "mowing the grass" strategy but how long will that work? But you have to think about the future state. What does an Iran that continues to: - Build and supply drones and drone technology to Russia - Build and purchase missiles and missile launchers - Continue to pursue a nuclear weapons - Continue to fund groups recognized as terrorist organizations by the United States, European Union, and others .... look like? Well, if they have 1,000 missiles today and that's giving us a problem (I'm not sure the true extent to which it is a problem really) and then they have 5,000 missiles tomorrow maybe sprinkle in some Chinese hypersonic missiles just to see if they can take out an American aircraft carrier or other sensitive military equipment, and now when Iran decides to close the Straight or tax the Gulf States or whatever other crazy idea they get in their heads we're facing a much, much bigger problem. It's like having a North Korea in the Middle East. We can't have that. We have seen that movie already and it does not turn out great. And that's excluding nuclear weapons or an arms race in the Middle East. You can certainly see how easy it would be for the Gulf States to decide Iran is such a threat that they start loading up on missiles and maybe everyone decides they need a nuclear deterrent and now we've got maybe 2-3 countries including Iran with nuclear weapons and there's nothing we can do about it. Folks like to paint this as an Israel problem, and yea they've done some bad stuff too but this isn't just an Israel problem nor is it just an America problem. It's just that unfortunately the United States is the one that yet again has to go be involved to try and deal with some chaos now to prevent an untenable situation later. I think it's certainly worthwhile to debate various assumptions, capabilities, &c. but at the end of the day it's important to actually take a look at many aspects of this situation and to try peace together what's really driving this conflict. If your frame of reference is just "what are we doing there?" I'm afraid it puts you at a real disadvantage in terms of understanding the conflict and its repercussions.