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Tar: A slop-free alternative to rsync

13 points by shscs911 6mo ago

rurban 6mo ago
Drew is getting unbearable.
- monkaiju 6mo ago
  His anti-LLM stance isnt unsurprising given the values he's posted about regularly for years, if anything his ability to avoid cargo-cult/hype nonsense is why I (and seemingly others) value his writing so much.
u1hcw9nx 6mo ago
Don't forget new GNU-format incremental backups. -g, --listed-incremental=FILE
t312227 6mo ago
hello, as always: imho (!) tar is great, and well kown - but not particularly for "incremental backups over the net" ... this is what rsync is/was for. idk ... whatever the problem is with rsync, but apparently thats none of my business ;)) you could use, and which usage is very similar to rsync: rclone * https://rclone.org/ https://rclone.org/ intro * https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/4x-faster-network-file-sync-rclone-vs-rsync/ https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/4x-faster-network-fil... and additionally its also faster than rsync ... just my 0.02€
- opan 6mo ago
  >I had somehow pigeonholed it as "for cloud to local or vice-versa", and never considered it for local transfer, like over my own LAN. Huh. Exact same thoughts here. I never used rclone because I don't use AWS or similar, just lots of bare metal on and off my LAN that I can ssh to. I am quite comfortable with rsync's quirks and args, so not sure I'll quit using it, but maybe I'll try rclone next time I do a massive transfer. Similarly I've been shown that ddrescue can act as a full dd replacement, but I'm so used to dd I still tend to use it.
g8oz 6mo ago
I would recommend rclone as an alternative to rsync over tar.
oompydoompy74 6mo ago
What a ridiculous position to take.
- replooda 6mo ago
  The repo it links to presents their reasons for tracking and potentially avoiding LLM-supported projects; are all of those ridiculous? Is the technology's track record so amazing as to make the conclusion ridiculous? Or did you mean tar as a replacement to rsync, specifically? [0] https://codeberg.org/small-hack/open-slopware https://codeberg.org/small-hack/open-slopware
  - oompydoompy74 6mo ago
    Yes and Yes and Yes. I’m not an AI maximalist, but this is an extreme position that I believe is, in fact, ridiculous.
    - replooda 6mo ago
      You find it ridiculous, you find it ridiculous. But saying it's "extreme" to avoid software and seek alternatives is just absurd.
    - monkaiju 6mo ago
      Isn't a huge part of the point of developing in the open so that people can assess the entire technology, including how its developed, and choose if they want to use it? Folks using LLMs will have to accept that that will turn people away from using their software ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

13 points by shscs911 6mo ago

rurban 6mo ago

Drew is getting unbearable.

monkaiju 6mo ago
His anti-LLM stance isnt unsurprising given the values he's posted about regularly for years, if anything his ability to avoid cargo-cult/hype nonsense is why I (and seemingly others) value his writing so much.

u1hcw9nx 6mo ago

Don't forget new GNU-format incremental backups. -g, --listed-incremental=FILE

t312227 6mo ago

hello, as always: imho (!) tar is great, and well kown - but not particularly for "incremental backups over the net" ... this is what rsync is/was for. idk ... whatever the problem is with rsync, but apparently thats none of my business ;)) you could use, and which usage is very similar to rsync: rclone * https://rclone.org/ https://rclone.org/ intro * https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/4x-faster-network-file-sync-rclone-vs-rsync/ https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/4x-faster-network-fil... and additionally its also faster than rsync ... just my 0.02€

opan 6mo ago
>I had somehow pigeonholed it as "for cloud to local or vice-versa", and never considered it for local transfer, like over my own LAN. Huh. Exact same thoughts here. I never used rclone because I don't use AWS or similar, just lots of bare metal on and off my LAN that I can ssh to. I am quite comfortable with rsync's quirks and args, so not sure I'll quit using it, but maybe I'll try rclone next time I do a massive transfer. Similarly I've been shown that ddrescue can act as a full dd replacement, but I'm so used to dd I still tend to use it.

g8oz 6mo ago

I would recommend rclone as an alternative to rsync over tar.

oompydoompy74 6mo ago

What a ridiculous position to take.

replooda 6mo ago
The repo it links to presents their reasons for tracking and potentially avoiding LLM-supported projects; are all of those ridiculous? Is the technology's track record so amazing as to make the conclusion ridiculous? Or did you mean tar as a replacement to rsync, specifically? [0] https://codeberg.org/small-hack/open-slopware https://codeberg.org/small-hack/open-slopware
- oompydoompy74 6mo ago
  Yes and Yes and Yes. I’m not an AI maximalist, but this is an extreme position that I believe is, in fact, ridiculous.
  - replooda 6mo ago
    You find it ridiculous, you find it ridiculous. But saying it's "extreme" to avoid software and seek alternatives is just absurd.
  - monkaiju 6mo ago
    Isn't a huge part of the point of developing in the open so that people can assess the entire technology, including how its developed, and choose if they want to use it? Folks using LLMs will have to accept that that will turn people away from using their software ¯\_(ツ)_/¯