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The guy from the story, it’s just another developer starting from a different trade, pretty normal across our history, musicians, lawyers that discovered that t
by mromanuk 6mo ago
The guy from the story, it’s just another developer starting from a different trade, pretty normal across our history, musicians, lawyers that discovered that they were good at computers. The conclusion is flawed, not anyone can endure what this person did, sit at a terminal, going back and forward until something is finished. That’s what a SW dev does. My conclusion, many more people will discover that they are good at software, not everybody, but some of them will discover this new powers, thanks to a new lower barrier provided by LLM.
- tariky 6mo agoYou are 100% correct. That guy just did not know that he has developer soul.
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- pbiggar 6mo agoLet's take the metaphor of writing. Would we say this guy is just a writer who started from another trade? No. Writing is something that used to require experts (scribes) and that now anyone can do and is just a normal part of doing any work. Developers are scribes - we have sacred knowledge that is now being democratized because everyone can do it due to good enough tools. As a result, we won't be needed much going forward.
- nkrisc 6mo agoWriting is a tool, a technology. Much like hammers or saws, which are also commodified. And even though anyone can go buy a saw, not everyone is a carpenter.
- andyferris 6mo agoI am not a carpenter; I use a saw at least once a month.
- mmooss 6mo ago> Writing is a tool, a technology. Like paint, it can be used as a tool, to paint your house, or as a craft and artform, to paint the Rouen Cathedral.
- nkrisc 6mo agoPaint is a tool to deposit pigment on a substrate. The tool does not make the artist.
- pbiggar 6mo agoExactly. and that's what development is becoming.
- joshstrange 6mo ago> Developers are scribes - we have sacred knowledge that is now being democratized because everyone can do it due to good enough tools. As a result, we won't be needed much going forward. The ability to solve problems is what’s important. Not your ability to remember things or to hold sacred knowledge.
- vunderba 6mo agoThis. Software development probably requires some of the least boilerplate memorization in all of STEM. Deductive reasoning and imagination are far more important than being flexing that you’ve committed quicksort to memory.
- 0x20cowboy 6mo agoIf that were true, industry interview processes would be very different.
- AndrewKemendo 6mo agoWhat is this “sacred knowledge?” Is it knowing how to write a regex without a reference, or maybe implementing a distributed ec postgres cluster using bash, ooh how about writing a minimum cnn in C for edge classification ooohhh wooowee… Ever worked construction? There’s hammer swingers that need one swing per nail and never miss. Or plasterers that make chalk look like marble. How about a high voltage lineman that can switch a 20kv oil-cooled transformer in less than 15 minutes to get the power to the school back on No different from any tradesman - we’re not special
- coldtea 6mo ago>thanks to a new lower barrier provided by LLM. New lower barrier means commodification.
- mathisfun123 6mo agoLol no it doesn't you literally have it backwards - think about the trades, specifically construction, as low barrier to entry jobs and consider that houses/buildings are all different (not commodities).
- knollimar 6mo agoApprentices are considered commodities here
- mathisfun123 6mo agoLol you think developers aren't already commodities? You joking? edit: i love how this is getting downvotes but no further responses. y'all are in denial. let me ask you this: why is the most common interview loop round a generic LC round? lolol
- coldtea 6mo ago"Lol", do you think in lols or do you ever sit and consider something more deeply? Or maybe you think adding a lol makes the other side's argument ridiculous and yours stronger? Skipping the lols, here's the answer to your question: doesn't matter if developers "are already commodities" to some degree. First, because that degree is small, else developers wouldn't command such high salaries relative to other trades. So they might be commoditized compared to surgeons, but not at all compared to most office or blue collar trades. Second, even if they are commoditized to some degree, the argument is that AI will bring further commodification. Not that it will introduce the first and foremost case of commodification in the developing world.
- mathisfun123 6mo ago
- unkiep 6mo agoThis sounds like "no true Scotsman..."
- smugtrain 6mo agoMore like the inverse. No true Scotsman seeks to remove someone from belonging to a group to keep the group pure, because no true member of that group could act in such a way. This is adding people to a group that they would otherwise be excluded from. It seeks to expand the definition of the group to include the outsiders.
- ebcode 6mo agoso, “yes false Scotsman”?
- aaron695 6mo ago[dead]
- wenldev 6mo agohaha so those that succeeded - were all along engineers, they just never knew it? :D