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Odd how you still see announcements of this nature if Anthropic's marketing is be believed.

by _zagj 7mo ago

dapperdrake 7mo ago
"You're completely right. That mushroom is poisonous."
Hamuko 7mo ago
Most maintainers don't have a stack of cash to throw at tokens.
- croddin 7mo ago
  They don’t need to throw a stack of cash at them, Anthropic and OpenAI have programs for open source maintainers. https://claude.com/contact-sales/claude-for-oss https://claude.com/contact-sales/claude-for-oss https://openai.com/form/codex-for-oss/ https://openai.com/form/codex-for-oss/
  - Hamuko 7mo ago
    I'd say they're less of "programs" as they are "six-month trials". What's the plan after six months? And for what's it worth, PyPy isn't even eligible for the Claude trial because they have a meager 1700 stars on GitHub.
    - blitzar 7mo ago
      > What's the plan after six months? An unmaintainable mass of Ai slop code and the decision to either pay the ai tax or abandon the project.
    - ratijas 7mo ago
      If number of stars may help projects adopt AI, that makes me reconsider starring projects at all.
      - cozzyd 6mo ago
        Better to pick projects not hosted on GitHub at all!
  - justinclift 7mo ago
    Isn't the Claude one only for a few months? (I haven't checked the OpenAI one, as I have no interest in them)
    - simonw 7mo ago
      Both programs have been announced as granting six months, but neither of them have explicitly said that there won't be options to renew for another six months. I expect they haven't decided that themselves yet and don't want to commit publicly until they've seen how well the program goes.
      - latexr 7mo ago
        Even if you’re right, no one should be making a decision of enrolling into those programs because maybe, with zero indication they’ll be renewed again in six months. You know what they could also do? Stop the programs for new enrolments next month. Or if if they renew them like you said, it could be with new conditions which exclude people currently on them. There are too many unknowns, and giving these companies the benefit of the doubt that they’ll give more instead of taking more goes counter to everything they showed so far.
        localuser13 6mo ago
        If I understand correctly, they are literally giving things away for free for a 6 months period and we are complaining that they don't promise it stays free forever?
        latexr 6mo ago
        No, you did not understand correctly. They are not “literally giving things away for free”, they are providing a very conditional free trial, which is a business decision and not anything new. Then a commenter speculated they might extend that program because they didn’t say they won’t and I pointed out it doesn’t make sense to assume they will. No one on this immediate thread made any complaint, we’re discussing the facts of the offering.
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QQ00 7mo ago
Anthropic released vibe coded C compiler that doesn't work, how their LLM can help in maintaining PyPy?
- networked 7mo ago
  Strange subthread. I don't see Claude Opus 4.6 changing the tide for PyPy. There is no need to understate AI capabilities for this. "Anthropic released vibe coded C compiler that doesn't work" sounds like https://github.com/anthropics/claudes-c-compiler/issues/1 https://github.com/anthropics/claudes-c-compiler/issues/1 passed through a game of telephone. The compiler has some wrong defaults that prevent it from straightforwardly building a "Hello, world!" like GCC and Clang. The compiler works: > The 100,000-line compiler can build a bootable Linux 6.9 on x86, ARM, and RISC-V. It can also compile QEMU, FFmpeg, SQlite, postgres, redis, and has a 99% pass rate on most compiler test suites including the GCC torture test suite. It also passes the developer's ultimate litmus test: it can compile and run Doom. https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/building-c-compiler https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/building-c-compiler
  - adampunk 6mo ago
    This two week project did not displace GCC, one of the most complex pieces of machinery built by man, so the conclusion on hacker news is that AI is fake. What you’re seeing is a shibboleth. If you can make the above claim without choking, then you’re a member of the tribe. If it seems so outlandish that honor and sense demand you point out the problems, you’re marked as an enemy.
- riedel 7mo ago
  > Anthropic released vibe coded C compiler that doesn't work, how their LLM can help in maintaining PyPy? This is the perfect question to highlight the major players. In my opinion, a rapidly developing language with a clear reference implementation, readily accessible specifications, and a vast number of easily runnable tests would make an ideal benchmark.
- tjpnz 7mo ago
  Strikes me as the worst possible solution if they're struggling to find maintainers in the first place. Who reviews the vibe coded patches?
jorvi 7mo ago
Yup. For me the biggest signifier is Spotify. They claim their (best) devs don't even code anymore, they use an internal AI tool that they just send prompts to which then checks out a personal test build that they can download off of Slack. "A new feature in 10 minutes!" Okay, if that is the case, why have we only seen like 3-4 minor new QoL improvements in Spotify the last ~12 months, with no new grand features? And why haven't they fired 95% of their devs and let the remaining elite go buckwild with Claude? The Emperor really has no clothes.
- re-thc 7mo ago
  > They claim their (best) devs don't even code anymore No, they claimed they didn’t code during a time period. Around year end until early this year. Technically they could have just been on leave. Also best dev = principal / staff engineers. They rarely code anyway. AI or no AI anyone could have made that claim.
- stavros 7mo ago
  Everyone here says "if developers are so much faster, why aren't we seeing more features?!" as if the only thing required to release a feature is developers. My CEO keeps asking me "how can we go faster with AI", and my answer is "we can't, because even if we had developers that would instantly develop any feature perfectly, we'd still be bottlenecked on how slow we are at deciding what to actually release".
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- SCdF 7mo ago
  tbf they have been saying they've started doing this since December, so we're only a few months in. And like most software it's an iceberg: 99% of work on not observable by users, and in spotify's case listeners are only one of presumably dozens of different users. For all we know they are shipping massive improvements to eg billing
- brodo 7mo ago
  Also, why isn‘t there a native client for all platforms? Could they not just let the AI auto-translate the code?

Odd how you still see announcements of this nature if Anthropic's marketing is be believed.

by _zagj 7mo ago

Odd how you still see announcements of this nature if Anthropic's marketing is be believed.

dapperdrake 7mo ago

"You're completely right. That mushroom is poisonous."

Hamuko 7mo ago

Most maintainers don't have a stack of cash to throw at tokens.

croddin 7mo ago
They don’t need to throw a stack of cash at them, Anthropic and OpenAI have programs for open source maintainers. https://claude.com/contact-sales/claude-for-oss https://claude.com/contact-sales/claude-for-oss https://openai.com/form/codex-for-oss/ https://openai.com/form/codex-for-oss/
- Hamuko 7mo ago
  I'd say they're less of "programs" as they are "six-month trials". What's the plan after six months? And for what's it worth, PyPy isn't even eligible for the Claude trial because they have a meager 1700 stars on GitHub.
  - blitzar 7mo ago
    > What's the plan after six months? An unmaintainable mass of Ai slop code and the decision to either pay the ai tax or abandon the project.
  - ratijas 7mo ago
    If number of stars may help projects adopt AI, that makes me reconsider starring projects at all.
    - cozzyd 6mo ago
      Better to pick projects not hosted on GitHub at all!
- justinclift 7mo ago
  Isn't the Claude one only for a few months? (I haven't checked the OpenAI one, as I have no interest in them)
  - simonw 7mo ago
    Both programs have been announced as granting six months, but neither of them have explicitly said that there won't be options to renew for another six months. I expect they haven't decided that themselves yet and don't want to commit publicly until they've seen how well the program goes.
    - latexr 7mo ago
      Even if you’re right, no one should be making a decision of enrolling into those programs because maybe, with zero indication they’ll be renewed again in six months. You know what they could also do? Stop the programs for new enrolments next month. Or if if they renew them like you said, it could be with new conditions which exclude people currently on them. There are too many unknowns, and giving these companies the benefit of the doubt that they’ll give more instead of taking more goes counter to everything they showed so far.
      - localuser13 6mo ago
        If I understand correctly, they are literally giving things away for free for a 6 months period and we are complaining that they don't promise it stays free forever?
        latexr 6mo ago
        No, you did not understand correctly. They are not “literally giving things away for free”, they are providing a very conditional free trial, which is a business decision and not anything new. Then a commenter speculated they might extend that program because they didn’t say they won’t and I pointed out it doesn’t make sense to assume they will. No one on this immediate thread made any complaint, we’re discussing the facts of the offering.
- deleted 7mo ago
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QQ00 7mo ago

Anthropic released vibe coded C compiler that doesn't work, how their LLM can help in maintaining PyPy?

networked 7mo ago
Strange subthread. I don't see Claude Opus 4.6 changing the tide for PyPy. There is no need to understate AI capabilities for this. "Anthropic released vibe coded C compiler that doesn't work" sounds like https://github.com/anthropics/claudes-c-compiler/issues/1 https://github.com/anthropics/claudes-c-compiler/issues/1 passed through a game of telephone. The compiler has some wrong defaults that prevent it from straightforwardly building a "Hello, world!" like GCC and Clang. The compiler works: > The 100,000-line compiler can build a bootable Linux 6.9 on x86, ARM, and RISC-V. It can also compile QEMU, FFmpeg, SQlite, postgres, redis, and has a 99% pass rate on most compiler test suites including the GCC torture test suite. It also passes the developer's ultimate litmus test: it can compile and run Doom. https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/building-c-compiler https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/building-c-compiler
- adampunk 6mo ago
  This two week project did not displace GCC, one of the most complex pieces of machinery built by man, so the conclusion on hacker news is that AI is fake. What you’re seeing is a shibboleth. If you can make the above claim without choking, then you’re a member of the tribe. If it seems so outlandish that honor and sense demand you point out the problems, you’re marked as an enemy.
riedel 7mo ago
> Anthropic released vibe coded C compiler that doesn't work, how their LLM can help in maintaining PyPy? This is the perfect question to highlight the major players. In my opinion, a rapidly developing language with a clear reference implementation, readily accessible specifications, and a vast number of easily runnable tests would make an ideal benchmark.
tjpnz 7mo ago
Strikes me as the worst possible solution if they're struggling to find maintainers in the first place. Who reviews the vibe coded patches?

jorvi 7mo ago

Yup. For me the biggest signifier is Spotify. They claim their (best) devs don't even code anymore, they use an internal AI tool that they just send prompts to which then checks out a personal test build that they can download off of Slack. "A new feature in 10 minutes!" Okay, if that is the case, why have we only seen like 3-4 minor new QoL improvements in Spotify the last ~12 months, with no new grand features? And why haven't they fired 95% of their devs and let the remaining elite go buckwild with Claude? The Emperor really has no clothes.

re-thc 7mo ago
> They claim their (best) devs don't even code anymore No, they claimed they didn’t code during a time period. Around year end until early this year. Technically they could have just been on leave. Also best dev = principal / staff engineers. They rarely code anyway. AI or no AI anyone could have made that claim.
stavros 7mo ago
Everyone here says "if developers are so much faster, why aren't we seeing more features?!" as if the only thing required to release a feature is developers. My CEO keeps asking me "how can we go faster with AI", and my answer is "we can't, because even if we had developers that would instantly develop any feature perfectly, we'd still be bottlenecked on how slow we are at deciding what to actually release".
- deleted 7mo ago
  [deleted]
SCdF 7mo ago
tbf they have been saying they've started doing this since December, so we're only a few months in. And like most software it's an iceberg: 99% of work on not observable by users, and in spotify's case listeners are only one of presumably dozens of different users. For all we know they are shipping massive improvements to eg billing
brodo 7mo ago
Also, why isn‘t there a native client for all platforms? Could they not just let the AI auto-translate the code?