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oh come on, who of us didn't go through a power-tripping edge lord phase? i too had a community game server once...

by webdevver 7mo ago

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xmx98 7mo ago
It seems his values aren’t much better now. Too bad his company is so successful.
- unselect5917 7mo ago
  Remember when facebook was busted playing silent audio so the app could stay active in the background? I honestly don't think there's a company I trust less than facebook/meta. And it's because the rot is at the top, and has always been there.
  - rationalist 7mo ago
    No. I did a search and found this though: https://techcrunch.com/2015/10/22/facebook-says-it-fixed-a-bug-that-caused-silent-audio-to-vampire-your-iphone-battery/ https://techcrunch.com/2015/10/22/facebook-says-it-fixed-a-b... Supposedly it was a bug, but with Facebook, who knows.
    - rsynnott 7mo ago
      And if you believe that, you'll believe anything.
    - DonHopkins 7mo ago
      >The other issue, that Facebook was running a silent audio stream in the background, is also called out. Grant says this was unintentional, and that it was not being used to keep the app alive — yet it did as a byproduct of the bug. How much issue tracking and scrum management and engineering work and code review and testing and deployment and maintenance went into accidentally streaming silent audio that you only stop doing after you got caught and have to claim all that successfully tested and deployed work was unintentional, without ever explaining the actual innocuous purpose of streaming silent audio and paying for all that extra bandwidth?
      - rationalist 7mo ago
        I was just reading a comment on HN yesterday about how MacOS had so many bugs. I guess they don't have issue tracking, scrum management, engineering work, code review, testing, deployment, and maintenance either. I hate FB, but not everything is always a sinister plan, although this could have been. I will repeat: "with Facebook, who knows."
        DonHopkins 7mo ago
        There is a huge difference between accidentally shipping a bug, and accidentally shipping a fully functional distributed end-to-end silent audio streaming system that works at Facebook's scale. They are in no way comparable. All the intricate crosscutting interoperating client, server, and middeware components of an end-to-end Facebook scale silent audio streaming pipeline do not just accidentally emerge without anybody noticing and magically dovetail together perfectly because nobody was paying enough attention to detail. Large distributed systems don’t spontaneously assemble themselves without anyone understanding what they’re doing or intending for it to happen. >I will repeat: "with Facebook, who knows." Apparently we all know the obvious except for you. And you're not living up to your user name, which perhaps should be "rationalizer" not "rationalist". Instead of begin rational, you're bending over backwards to implausibly carry the water for Facebook beyond all credulity. It's a bad look, and shows you're vastly underestimating the complexity of developing distributed streaming software at that scale. So I will repeat what rsynnott said: >And if you believe that, you'll believe anything.
wewtyflakes 7mo ago
Because we should hold the most powerful people to the highest standard, not the lowest one.
medi8r 7mo ago
"phase"

oh come on, who of us didn't go through a power-tripping edge lord phase? i too had a community game server once...

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xmx98 7mo ago

It seems his values aren’t much better now. Too bad his company is so successful.

unselect5917 7mo ago
Remember when facebook was busted playing silent audio so the app could stay active in the background? I honestly don't think there's a company I trust less than facebook/meta. And it's because the rot is at the top, and has always been there.
- rationalist 7mo ago
  No. I did a search and found this though: https://techcrunch.com/2015/10/22/facebook-says-it-fixed-a-bug-that-caused-silent-audio-to-vampire-your-iphone-battery/ https://techcrunch.com/2015/10/22/facebook-says-it-fixed-a-b... Supposedly it was a bug, but with Facebook, who knows.
  - rsynnott 7mo ago
    And if you believe that, you'll believe anything.
  - DonHopkins 7mo ago
    >The other issue, that Facebook was running a silent audio stream in the background, is also called out. Grant says this was unintentional, and that it was not being used to keep the app alive — yet it did as a byproduct of the bug. How much issue tracking and scrum management and engineering work and code review and testing and deployment and maintenance went into accidentally streaming silent audio that you only stop doing after you got caught and have to claim all that successfully tested and deployed work was unintentional, without ever explaining the actual innocuous purpose of streaming silent audio and paying for all that extra bandwidth?
    - rationalist 7mo ago
      I was just reading a comment on HN yesterday about how MacOS had so many bugs. I guess they don't have issue tracking, scrum management, engineering work, code review, testing, deployment, and maintenance either. I hate FB, but not everything is always a sinister plan, although this could have been. I will repeat: "with Facebook, who knows."
      - DonHopkins 7mo ago
        There is a huge difference between accidentally shipping a bug, and accidentally shipping a fully functional distributed end-to-end silent audio streaming system that works at Facebook's scale. They are in no way comparable. All the intricate crosscutting interoperating client, server, and middeware components of an end-to-end Facebook scale silent audio streaming pipeline do not just accidentally emerge without anybody noticing and magically dovetail together perfectly because nobody was paying enough attention to detail. Large distributed systems don’t spontaneously assemble themselves without anyone understanding what they’re doing or intending for it to happen. >I will repeat: "with Facebook, who knows." Apparently we all know the obvious except for you. And you're not living up to your user name, which perhaps should be "rationalizer" not "rationalist". Instead of begin rational, you're bending over backwards to implausibly carry the water for Facebook beyond all credulity. It's a bad look, and shows you're vastly underestimating the complexity of developing distributed streaming software at that scale. So I will repeat what rsynnott said: >And if you believe that, you'll believe anything.

wewtyflakes 7mo ago

Because we should hold the most powerful people to the highest standard, not the lowest one.

medi8r 7mo ago

"phase"