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> Let's not waste the meaning of words by throwing them at any occasion. Honest question, but if this is not fascism, then what is? Aren't you also wasting the

by CrossVR 7mo ago

> Let's not waste the meaning of words by throwing them at any occasion. Honest question, but if this is not fascism, then what is? Aren't you also wasting the meaning of a word by refusing to acknowledge any application of that word?

Saline9515 7mo ago
There isn't a single accepted definition of what fascism is. The USSR and their left-wing allies in Western Europe would define everything that wasn't communist as “fascist”. It still continues to this day. I'd suggest you read about fascist Italy to get a sense of what fascism is. So far I haven't seen Democrats repeatedly kicked out of cars in Times Square after drinking a bottle of castor oil. Trump said that he wouldn't look to be reelected for a third mandate. The Iran war is mainly a consequence of the Israeli influence on US politics; it has nothing to do with fascism, and it is in continuity with the previous administration. So yeah, populism likely, a plutocracy (evidenced by the role of AIPAC in elections) but not fascism.
- CrossVR 7mo ago
  > I'd suggest you read about fascist Italy to get a sense of what fascism is. So far I haven't seen Democrats repeatedly kicked out of cars in Times Square after drinking a bottle of castor oil. January 6th had all the hallmarks of the black shirts marching on Rome. And ICE is definitely pulling people out of cars and homes in Democratic cities. But I guess everything is fine because they're not making them drink castor oil. Immigration enforcement is necessary, but these actions clearly have less to do with people's immigration status and more to do with political reprisal. > Trump said that he wouldn't look to be reelected for a third mandate. They'll always say they'll follow the Constitution to legitimize themselves, but their actions don't reflect it. > The Iran war is mainly a consequence of the Israeli influence on US politics; it has nothing to do with fascism, and it is in continuity with the previous administration. It has everything to do with fascism, not because of its motivation, but it's lack of democratic approval. This administration has a clear disdain for the democratic process. I sincerely hope there was some secret vote by Congress that we don't know about. > So yeah, populism likely, a plutocracy (evidenced by the role of AIPAC in elections) but not fascism. I would've agreed with you if we were talking about Trump's first term, that was clearly just populism. This second term goes far beyond what any populist leader has done in Europe.
  - Saline9515 7mo ago
    > January 6th Trump has no structured paramilitary militias like the Squadras or the SA. The January 6th was mainly a crowd movement, participants were a heteroclite bunch with very different political ideas. > ICE ICE is a state agency, which existed before and has never been known for its benevolent and non-violent actions. The problems mainly arise from the overhiring, lack of training, and braindead managers. By the way, many members agency are not white, which contradicts the racism narrative. Alex Pretti was shot by two latino officers, for instance. > lack of democratic approval Lack of democratic approval for a war isn't facism. It's a strong presidential regime. France has the same and is not fascist. And it's legal in the current form[0]. > farther than any populist leader Politics aren't a 1d political spectrum were the ends are facism. Afaik declaring a war to satisfy the billionaires of another nation is clearly not fascism, nor even nationalist in the strict sense. Words are important because if you earnestly want the situation to change, you need to assess it clearly. The Trump presidency has a more to do with the influence of money in US politics, and the media system which favors outrage and "loud" candidates. Democrats also commited a historical blunder with the botched Biden candidacy and the lack of a credible replacement (Kamala was clearly not convincing from the early start). [0] https://time.com/7380309/iran-war-legal-trump/?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://time.com/7380309/iran-war-legal-trump/?utm_source=ch...
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    - CrossVR 7mo ago
      > Trump has no structured paramilitary militias like the Squadras or the SA. The January 6th was mainly a crowd movement, participants were a heteroclite bunch with very different political ideas. The black shirts were no different. > ICE is a state agency, which existed before and has never been known for its benevolent and non-violent actions. Much of the prosecution of minorities in fascist regimes was not done by the militias, it was done by law enforcement. > Lack of democratic approval for a war isn't facism. It's a strong presidential regime. France has the same and is not fascist. And it's legal in the current form[0]. A hallmark of fascism is the refusal to acknowledge any democratic limitations on the power of the leader. The article you reference states clearly that he has no legal authority to start the war, as he would need congressional approval. France has the same system as the U.S., only parliament has the power to start a war.[0] > Words are important because if you earnestly want the situation to change, you need to assess it clearly. I'm glad we agree on that. I will concede that Trump may never become a true dictator, but the ideology is clearly there and if his power is not checked I worry about who will succeed him. > The Trump presidency has a more to do with the influence of money in US politics Fascists regimes have historically been well-funded by money in politics. [0] https://www.repository.law.indiana.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?a https://www.repository.law.indiana.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?a...

by CrossVR 7mo ago

Saline9515 7mo ago

There isn't a single accepted definition of what fascism is. The USSR and their left-wing allies in Western Europe would define everything that wasn't communist as “fascist”. It still continues to this day. I'd suggest you read about fascist Italy to get a sense of what fascism is. So far I haven't seen Democrats repeatedly kicked out of cars in Times Square after drinking a bottle of castor oil. Trump said that he wouldn't look to be reelected for a third mandate. The Iran war is mainly a consequence of the Israeli influence on US politics; it has nothing to do with fascism, and it is in continuity with the previous administration. So yeah, populism likely, a plutocracy (evidenced by the role of AIPAC in elections) but not fascism.

CrossVR 7mo ago
> I'd suggest you read about fascist Italy to get a sense of what fascism is. So far I haven't seen Democrats repeatedly kicked out of cars in Times Square after drinking a bottle of castor oil. January 6th had all the hallmarks of the black shirts marching on Rome. And ICE is definitely pulling people out of cars and homes in Democratic cities. But I guess everything is fine because they're not making them drink castor oil. Immigration enforcement is necessary, but these actions clearly have less to do with people's immigration status and more to do with political reprisal. > Trump said that he wouldn't look to be reelected for a third mandate. They'll always say they'll follow the Constitution to legitimize themselves, but their actions don't reflect it. > The Iran war is mainly a consequence of the Israeli influence on US politics; it has nothing to do with fascism, and it is in continuity with the previous administration. It has everything to do with fascism, not because of its motivation, but it's lack of democratic approval. This administration has a clear disdain for the democratic process. I sincerely hope there was some secret vote by Congress that we don't know about. > So yeah, populism likely, a plutocracy (evidenced by the role of AIPAC in elections) but not fascism. I would've agreed with you if we were talking about Trump's first term, that was clearly just populism. This second term goes far beyond what any populist leader has done in Europe.
- Saline9515 7mo ago
  > January 6th Trump has no structured paramilitary militias like the Squadras or the SA. The January 6th was mainly a crowd movement, participants were a heteroclite bunch with very different political ideas. > ICE ICE is a state agency, which existed before and has never been known for its benevolent and non-violent actions. The problems mainly arise from the overhiring, lack of training, and braindead managers. By the way, many members agency are not white, which contradicts the racism narrative. Alex Pretti was shot by two latino officers, for instance. > lack of democratic approval Lack of democratic approval for a war isn't facism. It's a strong presidential regime. France has the same and is not fascist. And it's legal in the current form[0]. > farther than any populist leader Politics aren't a 1d political spectrum were the ends are facism. Afaik declaring a war to satisfy the billionaires of another nation is clearly not fascism, nor even nationalist in the strict sense. Words are important because if you earnestly want the situation to change, you need to assess it clearly. The Trump presidency has a more to do with the influence of money in US politics, and the media system which favors outrage and "loud" candidates. Democrats also commited a historical blunder with the botched Biden candidacy and the lack of a credible replacement (Kamala was clearly not convincing from the early start). [0] https://time.com/7380309/iran-war-legal-trump/?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://time.com/7380309/iran-war-legal-trump/?utm_source=ch...
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  - CrossVR 7mo ago
    > Trump has no structured paramilitary militias like the Squadras or the SA. The January 6th was mainly a crowd movement, participants were a heteroclite bunch with very different political ideas. The black shirts were no different. > ICE is a state agency, which existed before and has never been known for its benevolent and non-violent actions. Much of the prosecution of minorities in fascist regimes was not done by the militias, it was done by law enforcement. > Lack of democratic approval for a war isn't facism. It's a strong presidential regime. France has the same and is not fascist. And it's legal in the current form[0]. A hallmark of fascism is the refusal to acknowledge any democratic limitations on the power of the leader. The article you reference states clearly that he has no legal authority to start the war, as he would need congressional approval. France has the same system as the U.S., only parliament has the power to start a war.[0] > Words are important because if you earnestly want the situation to change, you need to assess it clearly. I'm glad we agree on that. I will concede that Trump may never become a true dictator, but the ideology is clearly there and if his power is not checked I worry about who will succeed him. > The Trump presidency has a more to do with the influence of money in US politics Fascists regimes have historically been well-funded by money in politics. [0] https://www.repository.law.indiana.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?a https://www.repository.law.indiana.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?a...