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> Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. But they did. "Two of our most i
by arugulum 7mo ago
> Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement.
But they did.
"Two of our most important safety principles are prohibitions on domestic mass surveillance and human responsibility for the use of force, including for autonomous weapon systems. The DoW agrees with these principles, reflects them in law and policy, and we put them into our agreement."
- newguytony 7mo agoGood ole Sammy has never lied
- arugulum 7mo agoIf your starting position is already that Sam Altman lies about everything that doesn't fit your preconceived positions, that doesn't seem like a very useful meaningful position to update.
- lioeters 7mo agoThe company started with a lie, it's in the name.
- johnbellone 7mo agoYes.
- sumeno 7mo agoOk, but he does
- fooker 7mo agoUnrelated, but want to buy a bridge? You could recoup your investment in a year by collecting toll. Expedited financing available on good credit!
- tomhow 7mo agoPlease don’t do this here.
- WD-42 7mo agoI'm sure it's a matter of interpretation. Anthropic thinks the DoW's demands will lead to mass surveillance and auto-kill bots. The DoW probably disagrees with that interpretation, and all OpenAI needs to do is agree with the DoW. My bet is that what the DoW wants is pretty clearly tied to mass surveillance and kill-bots. Altman is a snake.
- PaulDavisThe1st 7mo agoWhy do you choose to call it the "DoW"? Its official name is the Department of Defense, it was titled that way by Congress and only Congress can change it. What is your motivation in using a term that the current administration has started to use? Do you also use the Gulf of America when referrring to the body of water that defines the southern edge of the USA?
- thejazzman 7mo agoDon't you think it is more to-the-point to call it what it is and what the people running it with, i'll bet everything i have, absolute immunity, are doing and intend to do with it? It's like the one honest thing they've done
- PaulDavisThe1st 7mo agoIt is "honest" in the historical sense, certainly. But the executive-order driven name change just another bit of illegal/extra-legal/paralegal behavior by the administration that, every time we just nod along, eats away at the constitutional structure of our government. So don't go along with it.
- j_maffe 7mo agoPersonally, as someone coming from a region that has suffered many times over by the actions of this so called "Ministry of Defense," I feel like "Department of War" is a more accurate and honest term.
- propagandist 7mo agoHuman responsibility is not the same as human decision making. And they are crossing the picket line, which honestly I was sure they would do, though I did expect it to take a bit longer. This is too transparent even for sama.
- nick486 7mo ago>Human responsibility is not the same as human decision making. this is going to end up being interpreted as "well, the president signed off on the operation. see - there's a human in the loop!" - is it?
- propagandist 7mo agoThat's precisely how I read it. They're weasel words delivered by the master weasel himself.
- layer8 7mo agoThe difference is that Anthropic wanted to reserve the right to judge when the red lines are crossed, while OpenAI will defer to the DoD and its policies for that. In both cases, the two parties can claim to agree on the principles, but when push comes to shove, who decides on whether the principles are violated differs.
- outside1234 7mo agoThis. Sam is going to pretend they aren’t going to use it for that because his company is collapsing in losses. He will never audit. Probably also got assurances about a bailout when OpenAI collapses.
- pseudalopex 7mo ago> The difference is that Anthropic wanted to reserve the right to judge when the red lines are crossed, while OpenAI will defer to the DoD and its policies for that. You learned this where?
- layer8 7mo agoI’m reading between the lines of the involved parties’ various statements, but there’s also this: https://x.com/UnderSecretaryF/status/2027594072811098230 https://x.com/UnderSecretaryF/status/2027594072811098230
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- pseudalopex 7mo ago> I’m reading between the lines of the involved parties’ various statements You should have said this. > https://x.com/UnderSecretaryF/status/2027594072811098230 https://x.com/UnderSecretaryF/status/2027594072811098230 Thank you.
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- pseudalopex 7mo agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47190644 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47190644
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- khalic 7mo agoAnthropic has safeguards baked in the model, this is the only way to make sur it's harder for the DOJ to misuse it. A pinky swear from the DoD means nothing