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> After printing the line, a popup opened and my camera was activated. The app wanted me to submit my information, presumably to decide what to do with me next

> After printing the line, a popup opened and my camera was activated. The app wanted me to submit my information, presumably to decide what to do with me next time I enter China. Was this on your personal device? I'm just wondering how it activated your camera. I would love more details!

9999px 7mo ago
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- kelseyfrog 7mo ago
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- parl_match 7mo ago
  An increasing use of AI is to gather user feedback. The Chatbot UI detected an error state, and then loaded a feedback vendor, who then popped the camera open for their interactive feedback session I've run into this a few times, now. So what OP is saying is plausible, I just don't appreciate their added and probably incorrect conclusion that it's because the government of China wants to do something to them
  - fasbiner 7mo ago
    What are you talking about? Why are you using imprecise language like "popped the camera open?" You've run into a site you view on chrome/firefox/safari accessing your camera without granting access a few times now? Can you give us an example of a site that does this so we can reproduce? Or could you retract your statement and clarify that you did grant camera permissions for that site previously? Otherwise, you're saying very casually there's a huge bug and security issue that no one else has detected but you personally have seem multiple times. I've run into people on the internet misremembering things or not understanding how the browser works more times than I've run into browsers allowing access to system devices like the camera without a permission prompt.
    - parl_match 7mo ago
      > Or could you retract your statement and clarify that you did grant camera permissions for that site previously? I never said anything about granting permissions. I can respond to your other points, in turn, but first I would like you to confirm that I am who you think you are responding to :) I am not OP. In case you don't think I'm OP, then, well I was being imprecise. Yes, it requires browser/app/manifest permissions. Your paranoid and aggressive tone implies you're not giving me any benefit of the doubt, as I speak informally in a casual web forum discussion about understanding what happened.
      - fasbiner 7mo ago
        Sorry, I think of HN as a technical forum where people prize precision. I think that when you informally bolster lies of omission with your own imprecise language agreeing with it, that harms the quality of discussion and creates pointless confusion. I think you get less benefit of the doubt if you do that routinely. By your own admission you do that routinely since you use this as a place to speak informally in a casual web discussion where you are often imprecise or lie by omission.
        parl_match 7mo ago
        Actually, I didn't bolster a lie by omission. I provided context as to what their experience might be based on my own. It is entirely possible that they aren't lying. That is your assertion that you are making as if it's fact. I think it's more likely that they are unaware of what is happening. You didn't have all of the information, and you are making assumptions that are very likely incorrect. Furthermore, it is a given that user consent is asked for camera access in most situations. If this is a concept that you need explained to you in every situation, then you may need to review your knowledge or competency. Which is to say, if you need this explained, you should probably speak less and listen more :) Anyways, I think this conversation is over. Your unnecessarily aggressive and hostile tone is unwarranted and I no longer wish to talk with you. Feel free to have the last word if you wish. .
    - fennecbutt 7mo ago
  - gs17 7mo ago
    I'd suspect rather than interactive feedback, it might have been trying to let him log in with a QR code. "A popup opened and wanted me to submit my information" sounds like a login/registration form.
    - parl_match 7mo ago
      That is actually even more plausible than what I suggested.
anvuong 7mo ago
Yeah that part is either just bullshit or OP gave the bot access to his camera previously, which is just dumb.
- sixseven 7mo ago
  The story smells like bullshit to me.
- crossroadsguy 7mo ago
  OP might have meant that it asked for camera permission. Or OP might have set camera permission to auto allow but then that is also stupid (more so).
- Justitia 7mo ago
  I would not be surprised if they just activated the camera

9999px 7mo ago

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kelseyfrog 7mo ago
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parl_match 7mo ago
An increasing use of AI is to gather user feedback. The Chatbot UI detected an error state, and then loaded a feedback vendor, who then popped the camera open for their interactive feedback session I've run into this a few times, now. So what OP is saying is plausible, I just don't appreciate their added and probably incorrect conclusion that it's because the government of China wants to do something to them
- fasbiner 7mo ago
  What are you talking about? Why are you using imprecise language like "popped the camera open?" You've run into a site you view on chrome/firefox/safari accessing your camera without granting access a few times now? Can you give us an example of a site that does this so we can reproduce? Or could you retract your statement and clarify that you did grant camera permissions for that site previously? Otherwise, you're saying very casually there's a huge bug and security issue that no one else has detected but you personally have seem multiple times. I've run into people on the internet misremembering things or not understanding how the browser works more times than I've run into browsers allowing access to system devices like the camera without a permission prompt.
  - parl_match 7mo ago
    > Or could you retract your statement and clarify that you did grant camera permissions for that site previously? I never said anything about granting permissions. I can respond to your other points, in turn, but first I would like you to confirm that I am who you think you are responding to :) I am not OP. In case you don't think I'm OP, then, well I was being imprecise. Yes, it requires browser/app/manifest permissions. Your paranoid and aggressive tone implies you're not giving me any benefit of the doubt, as I speak informally in a casual web forum discussion about understanding what happened.
    - fasbiner 7mo ago
      Sorry, I think of HN as a technical forum where people prize precision. I think that when you informally bolster lies of omission with your own imprecise language agreeing with it, that harms the quality of discussion and creates pointless confusion. I think you get less benefit of the doubt if you do that routinely. By your own admission you do that routinely since you use this as a place to speak informally in a casual web discussion where you are often imprecise or lie by omission.
      - parl_match 7mo ago
        Actually, I didn't bolster a lie by omission. I provided context as to what their experience might be based on my own. It is entirely possible that they aren't lying. That is your assertion that you are making as if it's fact. I think it's more likely that they are unaware of what is happening. You didn't have all of the information, and you are making assumptions that are very likely incorrect. Furthermore, it is a given that user consent is asked for camera access in most situations. If this is a concept that you need explained to you in every situation, then you may need to review your knowledge or competency. Which is to say, if you need this explained, you should probably speak less and listen more :) Anyways, I think this conversation is over. Your unnecessarily aggressive and hostile tone is unwarranted and I no longer wish to talk with you. Feel free to have the last word if you wish. .
  - fennecbutt 7mo ago
- gs17 7mo ago
  I'd suspect rather than interactive feedback, it might have been trying to let him log in with a QR code. "A popup opened and wanted me to submit my information" sounds like a login/registration form.
  - parl_match 7mo ago
    That is actually even more plausible than what I suggested.

anvuong 7mo ago

Yeah that part is either just bullshit or OP gave the bot access to his camera previously, which is just dumb.

sixseven 7mo ago
The story smells like bullshit to me.
crossroadsguy 7mo ago
OP might have meant that it asked for camera permission. Or OP might have set camera permission to auto allow but then that is also stupid (more so).
Justitia 7mo ago
I would not be surprised if they just activated the camera