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Any posts linked to the IDF committing crimes are automatically flagged on this site (and others). Many bots are at play here.

by lma21 7mo ago

dang 7mo ago
https://hn.algolia.com/?query=flags%20off%20turn%20by%3Adang&dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=flags%20off%20turn%20by%3Adang... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47141443 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47141443
- modsareliars12 7mo ago
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- lyingliarsg 7mo ago
  [dead]
- lyingfireb 7mo ago
  [flagged]
  - therobots927 7mo ago
    [flagged]
    - ebbi 7mo ago
      [flagged]
- therobots927 7mo ago
  You always have plenty of excuses when you get called out. Looking the other way while bot armies mass downvote pro Palestine / anti ICE / anti PayPal mafia content is complicity. I’m sure you have the data to suss out what is obvious to anyone watching these threads in real time.
  - johnfn 7mo ago
    Think about what you are saying for a moment. Why would "bot armies" come to Hacker News of all places to flag pro-Palestine articles? Don't you think it's a much more reasonable conclusion that people read the site guidelines[1], which clearly say that political posts are off-topic, and then flagged for that reason instead? There are a million places to discuss politics online. If I wanted to discuss politics, I would go to any one of them. Claiming any HN moderator is 'complicit' in atrocities is absurd. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - ceejayoz 7mo ago
      > Why would "bot armies" come to Hacker News of all places to flag pro-Palestine articles? Turn on showdead and you'll find much, much weirder wastes of time here.
    - Guid_NewGuid 7mo ago
      I mean doesn't your take strain credulity as well? Let's actually think where most discussion happens these days, Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, the few remaining newspaper comments sections. I'd struggle to list more off the top of my head. Why wouldn't influence campaigns, we know every big country to be running, target this site? What reason would they have to leave it out from their list? Why not target a major news forum for the more wealthy and connected (predominantly) Americans in tech? This is not an uwu smol bean site anymore and the cost of (undetectably) botting any given site is rapidly approaching cents.
      - johnfn 7mo ago
        I just see the same thing over again. I flag some article, then later I look at the comments and everyone is saying "rah rah there's a cabal of vote bots that flag articles". Obviously not - it was me? Is it so unthinkable that normal people on HN are flagging political articles because they are explicitly disallowed by the site guidelines?
    - glenstein 7mo ago
austin-cheney 7mo ago
Its not automatic due to bot activity. It is from people actively suppressing stories that don't want other people to see. This is discernible by watching how long it takes stories like these to reach a flagged state on the new submissions page. It is further evident by watching which comments within those submissions get flagged based upon their upvotes and visibility.
- Guid_NewGuid 7mo ago
  Indeed, and try suggesting there should be minimal accountability for flagging[0] and you'll likewise be flagged. Sure maybe the data says there's not some cartel flagging conspiracy but it starts to seem awful suspicious that even reasonable discussion of this misfeature gets flagged. 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44962005 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44962005
- themafia 7mo ago
  > on the new submissions page What if they only act once it reaches the front page?
- deaux 7mo ago
  > Its not automatic due to bot activity. It is from people actively suppressing stories that don't want other people to see. Correct! The same people behind the US purchase of TikTok, for the same reason.
  - troosevelt 7mo ago
    You're attributing a whole lot of agency to things that might have different factors. I can't downvote becuase though I've read HN since 2007ish, this is a new account. I would, however, probably downvote threads like this becuase out of all 600 comments, I don't think very many people have learned anything and a lot of blatantly false and sometimes racist stuff has been shared by people of every persuasion. I don't think these discussions are productive at all, but it makes people feel good because they're "fighting" for a cause, but they're still just a rate in a cage. Is the cause of Gaza or Israel bettered by this comment section?

Any posts linked to the IDF committing crimes are automatically flagged on this site (and others). Many bots are at play here.

by lma21 7mo ago

Any posts linked to the IDF committing crimes are automatically flagged on this site (and others). Many bots are at play here.

dang 7mo ago

https://hn.algolia.com/?query=flags%20off%20turn%20by%3Adang&dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=flags%20off%20turn%20by%3Adang... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47141443 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47141443

modsareliars12 7mo ago
[dead]
lyingliarsg 7mo ago
[dead]
lyingfireb 7mo ago
[flagged]
- therobots927 7mo ago
  [flagged]
  - ebbi 7mo ago
    [flagged]
therobots927 7mo ago
You always have plenty of excuses when you get called out. Looking the other way while bot armies mass downvote pro Palestine / anti ICE / anti PayPal mafia content is complicity. I’m sure you have the data to suss out what is obvious to anyone watching these threads in real time.
- johnfn 7mo ago
  Think about what you are saying for a moment. Why would "bot armies" come to Hacker News of all places to flag pro-Palestine articles? Don't you think it's a much more reasonable conclusion that people read the site guidelines[1], which clearly say that political posts are off-topic, and then flagged for that reason instead? There are a million places to discuss politics online. If I wanted to discuss politics, I would go to any one of them. Claiming any HN moderator is 'complicit' in atrocities is absurd. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - ceejayoz 7mo ago
    > Why would "bot armies" come to Hacker News of all places to flag pro-Palestine articles? Turn on showdead and you'll find much, much weirder wastes of time here.
  - Guid_NewGuid 7mo ago
    I mean doesn't your take strain credulity as well? Let's actually think where most discussion happens these days, Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, the few remaining newspaper comments sections. I'd struggle to list more off the top of my head. Why wouldn't influence campaigns, we know every big country to be running, target this site? What reason would they have to leave it out from their list? Why not target a major news forum for the more wealthy and connected (predominantly) Americans in tech? This is not an uwu smol bean site anymore and the cost of (undetectably) botting any given site is rapidly approaching cents.
    - johnfn 7mo ago
      I just see the same thing over again. I flag some article, then later I look at the comments and everyone is saying "rah rah there's a cabal of vote bots that flag articles". Obviously not - it was me? Is it so unthinkable that normal people on HN are flagging political articles because they are explicitly disallowed by the site guidelines?
  - glenstein 7mo ago

austin-cheney 7mo ago

Its not automatic due to bot activity. It is from people actively suppressing stories that don't want other people to see. This is discernible by watching how long it takes stories like these to reach a flagged state on the new submissions page. It is further evident by watching which comments within those submissions get flagged based upon their upvotes and visibility.

Guid_NewGuid 7mo ago
Indeed, and try suggesting there should be minimal accountability for flagging[0] and you'll likewise be flagged. Sure maybe the data says there's not some cartel flagging conspiracy but it starts to seem awful suspicious that even reasonable discussion of this misfeature gets flagged. 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44962005 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44962005
themafia 7mo ago
> on the new submissions page What if they only act once it reaches the front page?
deaux 7mo ago
> Its not automatic due to bot activity. It is from people actively suppressing stories that don't want other people to see. Correct! The same people behind the US purchase of TikTok, for the same reason.
- troosevelt 7mo ago
  You're attributing a whole lot of agency to things that might have different factors. I can't downvote becuase though I've read HN since 2007ish, this is a new account. I would, however, probably downvote threads like this becuase out of all 600 comments, I don't think very many people have learned anything and a lot of blatantly false and sometimes racist stuff has been shared by people of every persuasion. I don't think these discussions are productive at all, but it makes people feel good because they're "fighting" for a cause, but they're still just a rate in a cage. Is the cause of Gaza or Israel bettered by this comment section?