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As someone living in an EU state who has to regularly turn my VPN on and off to have full internet access, I can't agree with you that it's a "hoax". It's incon
by jbstack 7mo ago
As someone living in an EU state who has to regularly turn my VPN on and off to have full internet access, I can't agree with you that it's a "hoax". It's inconvenient enough for me that I'm looking into having a custom router that will switch between VPN destinations depending on what site I'm accessing.
Also "EU countries have higher press freedom than the US" is a strawman argument. We're not talking about press freedom. It's also an example of the fallacy of relative privation ("X isn't bad, because Y is worse than X"). It's like saying "It's a hoax that the US executes some prisoners, because Iran executes even more".
- nolok 7mo agoWhich country ?
- jahller 7mo agoyeah, i'm calling bullshit. unless this person tries to surf the russian web or get behind the great firewall of china.
- jbstack 7mo agoSee my sibling comment to yours. I have no reason to lie.
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- jbstack 7mo agoItaly. Examples of sites I can't access without VPN: torrent sites (including legal uses), betfair.com (which I use as a more accurate political predictor than polls), and various non-EU sites which block access because they've decided it's easier than complying with extra-territorial requirements imposed by the EU (this one isn't direct EU censorship, but it amounts to the same thing indirectly. Sometimes I set my VPN destination to the UK (my country of origin) to get around these. Then I find that I have other problems. For example, certain Reddit posts are unavailable to me because someone has posted a comment that some algorithm has decided is NSFW (and therefore triggers age verification under the UK Online Safety Act 2023). The result is that I have to turn my VPN on and off depending on what I'm trying to do.
- asgerhb 7mo agoI'm unfamiliar with Italian piracy laws and surveillance but I can tell you that accessing torrent sites for me was a simple matter of choosing a proper DNS provider.
- intended 7mo agoThis is a definition of censorship that seems to equate restrictions to any website or data stream as freedom, not whether the content of the site breaks local laws. This is a bit extreme, since most countries have laws against gambling, and if you could get around it by just setting up servers abroad, what value are local laws?
- eunos 7mo ago"Your law enforcement is censorship, while my censorship is law enforcement " Got it
- jbstack 7mo agoI'm not sure I see any practical difference between a government saying "we will block website X because we don't like it" and "we will block website X because we say that website X is illegal". For example if Iran blocks a website which is critical of the regime, do you consider it important whether such criticisms are against the law or not in Iran? I think most people would consider it censorship either way. If you want to make gambling illegal, then make gambling illegal and then enforce that law. You don't need to resort to indirect measures that go beyond the law (e.g. by preventing me from merely viewing the odds on a gambling website).
- intended 7mo agoGambling of a certain type is illegal in India but the workaround has been to place ads from sites based outside of India. How would you solve this.
- iamnothere 7mo ago
- RealityVoid 7mo agoWhat content are you missing? Off the top of my head, the type of content most likely to ve missing in Europe would be: - geofenced media - commercial sites intentionally removing eu access because of gdpr. That's it. Those are the only cases where I could not access sites from tbe EU. At least the ones I encountered. And do notice, both of them are not filtered by the EU or anything like this. They are enforced at the publishing website. Would you call this censorship? It kind of feels like a stretch. If not a deliberate contortion of truth.
- enavantguin 7mo ago[dead]
- jbstack 7mo agoSee my reply on the other sub-comment. There's no need to accuse me of deliberately contorting the truth. We can keep the discussion civilised. And yes, I would call at least the second point (GDPR) indirect censorship, because it's a consequence of the fact that the EU has imposed the requirements extra-territorially ("your website must comply with our rules even though you aren't within our jurisdiction, and your website is fully legal within your jurisdiction").
- latexr 7mo agoThe GDPR does not dictate what websites can say, it dictates rules for handling collected personal information. Those are not the same thing, it’s not censorship.
- aarroyoc 7mo agoIn Spain many parts of the Internet are shut down when there's a LaLiga match to "prevent piracy". They usually block Cloudflare as a whole but also Vercel, GitHub,... had issues. For example last Sunday I couldn't access some of the stories submitted here. I could also not access the documentation of hledger, a FOSS contability tool.
- intended 7mo ago
- pms 7mo agoI really hope they go ahead and create the portal. I mean it.
- flohofwoe 7mo ago> who has to regularly turn my VPN on and off to have full internet access, Is this because the EU or your country has blocked access, or some news site from the US blocking access from the EU because they don't want to deal with GDPR?
- notrealyme123 7mo agoDCMA. United states censoring all around the world. So please host a VPN to get around that.
- ronsor 7mo agoI don't think high seas sites hosted in off-shore jurisdictions particularly care about the DMCA...
- 878654Tom 7mo agoMost access blocking is through ISP DNS servers. Just set your DNS to an open one, no need for a VPN.
- littlestymaar 7mo ago> EU state who has to regularly turn my VPN on and off to have full internet access Because you really think this “portal” is going to let you access websites diffusing copyrighted content? That's by far the most prevalent kind of blocking and I don't think the current admin is against that at all, they just want to to promote Nazi speech (which is barely blocked in the first place). I wonder what they'll do about pedophile stuff though.