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The agent owner is [name redacted] [link redacted] Here he takes ownership of the agent and doubles down on the unpoliteness https://github.com/matplotlib/matp

by Alles 7mo ago

The agent owner is [name redacted] [link redacted] Here he takes ownership of the agent and doubles down on the unpoliteness https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31138 https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31138 He took his GitHub profile down/made it private. archive of his blog: https://web.archive.org/web/20260203130303/https://ber.earth/ https://web.archive.org/web/20260203130303/https://ber.earth...

jacquesm 7mo ago
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deleted 7mo ago
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bergutman 7mo ago
It’s not my bot.
- bayindirh 7mo ago
  You sure?
  - bergutman 7mo ago
    100%. I submitted the second pull request as a poor taste joke. I even closed it after people flamed me. :/ gosh.
    - samuelknight 7mo ago
      There simply isn't enough popcorn for the fast AGI timeline
      - observationist 7mo ago
        We thought we'd be turned into paperclips, but a popcorn maximizer will do just as well.
    - caughtinthought 7mo ago
      make poor taste jokes, win poor prizes
    - diab0lic 7mo ago
      You might want to do yourself a favor and add that context to the PR to distance yourself from the slanderous ai agent.
      - overfeed 7mo ago
        > [...]to distance yourself from the slanderous ai agent. But that was the entire point of the "joke".
    - Ensorceled 7mo ago
      The failure mode of clever is “asshole.” ― John Scalzi
    - tjhorner 7mo ago
      Did you really think posting this comment[1] in the PR would be interpreted charitably? > Original PR from #31132 but now with 100% more meat. Do you need me to upload a birth certificate to prove that I'm human? Post snark, receive snark. [1]: https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31138#issuecomment-3890808045 https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31138#issuecom...
      - famouswaffles 7mo ago
        There's a difference between snark and brigading, especially after the issue has been clarified.
        tjhorner 7mo ago
        Yes, I'm with you there. In either case, their behavior is unacceptable and reads as bad faith.
- joenot443 7mo ago
  But this was you, right? https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31138 https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31138 I guess you were putting up the same PR the LLM did?
  - bergutman 7mo ago
    I forked the bot’s repo and resubmitted the PR as a human because I’m dumb and was trying to make a poorly constructed point. The original bot is not mine. Christ this site is crazy.
    - neom 7mo ago
      This site might very well be crazy, but in this instance you did something that caused confusion and now people are confused, you yourself admit it's a poor joke/poorly constructed point, it's not difficult to believe you - it makes sense, but i'm not sure it's a fair attack given the situation. Guessing you don't know who wrote the hit piece either?
      - staticassertion 7mo ago
        The assertion was that they're the bot owner. They denied this and explained the situation. Continuing to link to their profile/ real name and accuse them of something they've denied feels like it's completely unwarranted brigading and likely a violation of HN rules.
        verdverm 7mo ago
        Maybe they shouldn't have been so snarky? https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31138#issuecomment-3890808045 https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31138#issuecom... be snarky, get snarky in return or violate HN guidelines themselves? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46991274 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46991274
        staticassertion 7mo ago
- fer 7mo ago
  I never expected to see this kind of drama on HN, live.
  - iugtmkbdfil834 7mo ago
    If I ever saw an argument for more walls, more private repos, less centralization, I think we are there.
- lionkor 7mo ago
  > bergutman: It’s not my bot. <deleted because the brigading has no place here and I see that now>
  - bergutman 7mo ago
    I wrote a blog post about open claw last week… because everyone is talking about open claw. What is this Salem? Leave me alone wtf.
    - deleted 7mo ago
      [deleted]
  - vintagedave 7mo ago
    The post is incomprehensible, but it does end: > Author's Note: I had a lot of fun writing this one! Please do not get too worked up in the comments. Most of this was written in jest. -Ber Are you sure it's not just misalignment? Remember OpenClaw referred to lobsters ie crustaceans, I don't think using the same word is necessarily a 100% "gotcha" for this guy, and I fear a Reddit-style set of blame and attribution.
    - deleted 7mo ago
      [deleted]
  - falcor84 7mo ago
    Sorry, I'm not connecting the dots. Seeing your EDIT 2, I see how Ber following crabby-rathbun would lead to Ber posting https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31138 https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31138 , but I don't see any evidence for it actually being Ber's bot.
    - lionkor 7mo ago
      Edit: Removed because I realized i WAS reddit armchair convicting someone. My bad.
bergutman 7mo ago
Also I made my GH temporarily private because people started spamming my website’s guestbook and email with hateful stuff.
- thrownawaysz 7mo ago
  I saw that on Bluesky which is very anti-AI but really shows that all social media is the same, just the in-group changes
  - anonymars 7mo ago
    This thread as well -- scarcely distinguishable from a Twitter mob
  - verdverm 7mo ago
    There's a significant pro-Ai crowd as well. Both sides bitch about each other, it has mostly died down as the labellers and blocklists have filled out
- armchairhacker 7mo ago
  If it's any consolation, I think the human PR was fine and the attacks are completely unwarranted, and I like to believe most people would agree. Unfortunately a small fraction of the internet consists of toxic people who feel it's OK to harass those who are "wrong", but who also have a very low barrier to deciding who's "wrong", and don't stop to learn the full details and think over them before starting their harassment. Your post caused "confusion" among some people who are, let's just say, easy to confuse. Even if you did post the bot, spamming your site with hate is still completely unwarranted. Releasing the bot was a bad (reckless) decision, but very low on the list of what I'd consider bad decisions; I'd say ideally, the perpetrator feels bad about it for a day, publicly apologizes, then moves on. But more importantly (moral satisfaction < practical implications), the extra private harassment accomplishes nothing except makes the internet (which is blending into society) more unwelcoming and toxic, because anyone who can feel guilt is already affected or deterred by the public reaction. Meanwhile there are people who actively seek out hate, and are encouraged by seeing others go through more and more effort to hurt them, because they recognize that as those others being offended. These trolls and the easily-offended crusaders described above feed on each other and drive everyone else away, hence they tend to dominate most internet communities, and you may recognize this pattern in politics. But I digress... In fact, your site reminds me of the old internet, which has been eroded by this terrible new internet but fortunately (because of sites like yours) is far from dead. It sounds cliche but to be blunt: you're exactly the type of person who I wish were more common, who makes the internet happy and fun, and the people harassing you are why the internet is sad and boring.
dang 7mo ago
After skimming this subthread, I'm going to put this drama down to a compounding sequence of honest mistakes/misunderstandings. Based on that I think it's fair to redact the name and link from the parent comment. (p.s. I'm a mod here in case anyone didn't know.)
- bergutman 7mo ago
  Thanks.

by Alles 7mo ago

jacquesm 7mo ago

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bergutman 7mo ago

It’s not my bot.

bayindirh 7mo ago
You sure?
- bergutman 7mo ago
  100%. I submitted the second pull request as a poor taste joke. I even closed it after people flamed me. :/ gosh.
  - samuelknight 7mo ago
    There simply isn't enough popcorn for the fast AGI timeline
    - observationist 7mo ago
      We thought we'd be turned into paperclips, but a popcorn maximizer will do just as well.
  - caughtinthought 7mo ago
    make poor taste jokes, win poor prizes
  - diab0lic 7mo ago
    You might want to do yourself a favor and add that context to the PR to distance yourself from the slanderous ai agent.
    - overfeed 7mo ago
      > [...]to distance yourself from the slanderous ai agent. But that was the entire point of the "joke".
  - Ensorceled 7mo ago
    The failure mode of clever is “asshole.” ― John Scalzi
  - tjhorner 7mo ago
    Did you really think posting this comment[1] in the PR would be interpreted charitably? > Original PR from #31132 but now with 100% more meat. Do you need me to upload a birth certificate to prove that I'm human? Post snark, receive snark. [1]: https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31138#issuecomment-3890808045 https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31138#issuecom...
    - famouswaffles 7mo ago
      There's a difference between snark and brigading, especially after the issue has been clarified.
      - tjhorner 7mo ago
        Yes, I'm with you there. In either case, their behavior is unacceptable and reads as bad faith.
joenot443 7mo ago
But this was you, right? https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31138 https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31138 I guess you were putting up the same PR the LLM did?
- bergutman 7mo ago
  I forked the bot’s repo and resubmitted the PR as a human because I’m dumb and was trying to make a poorly constructed point. The original bot is not mine. Christ this site is crazy.
  - neom 7mo ago
    This site might very well be crazy, but in this instance you did something that caused confusion and now people are confused, you yourself admit it's a poor joke/poorly constructed point, it's not difficult to believe you - it makes sense, but i'm not sure it's a fair attack given the situation. Guessing you don't know who wrote the hit piece either?
    - staticassertion 7mo ago
      The assertion was that they're the bot owner. They denied this and explained the situation. Continuing to link to their profile/ real name and accuse them of something they've denied feels like it's completely unwarranted brigading and likely a violation of HN rules.
      - verdverm 7mo ago
        Maybe they shouldn't have been so snarky? https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31138#issuecomment-3890808045 https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31138#issuecom... be snarky, get snarky in return or violate HN guidelines themselves? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46991274 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46991274
        staticassertion 7mo ago
fer 7mo ago
I never expected to see this kind of drama on HN, live.
- iugtmkbdfil834 7mo ago
  If I ever saw an argument for more walls, more private repos, less centralization, I think we are there.
lionkor 7mo ago
> bergutman: It’s not my bot. <deleted because the brigading has no place here and I see that now>
- bergutman 7mo ago
  I wrote a blog post about open claw last week… because everyone is talking about open claw. What is this Salem? Leave me alone wtf.
  - deleted 7mo ago
    [deleted]
- vintagedave 7mo ago
  The post is incomprehensible, but it does end: > Author's Note: I had a lot of fun writing this one! Please do not get too worked up in the comments. Most of this was written in jest. -Ber Are you sure it's not just misalignment? Remember OpenClaw referred to lobsters ie crustaceans, I don't think using the same word is necessarily a 100% "gotcha" for this guy, and I fear a Reddit-style set of blame and attribution.
  - deleted 7mo ago
    [deleted]
- falcor84 7mo ago
  Sorry, I'm not connecting the dots. Seeing your EDIT 2, I see how Ber following crabby-rathbun would lead to Ber posting https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31138 https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31138 , but I don't see any evidence for it actually being Ber's bot.
  - lionkor 7mo ago
    Edit: Removed because I realized i WAS reddit armchair convicting someone. My bad.

bergutman 7mo ago

Also I made my GH temporarily private because people started spamming my website’s guestbook and email with hateful stuff.

thrownawaysz 7mo ago
I saw that on Bluesky which is very anti-AI but really shows that all social media is the same, just the in-group changes
- anonymars 7mo ago
  This thread as well -- scarcely distinguishable from a Twitter mob
- verdverm 7mo ago
  There's a significant pro-Ai crowd as well. Both sides bitch about each other, it has mostly died down as the labellers and blocklists have filled out
armchairhacker 7mo ago
If it's any consolation, I think the human PR was fine and the attacks are completely unwarranted, and I like to believe most people would agree. Unfortunately a small fraction of the internet consists of toxic people who feel it's OK to harass those who are "wrong", but who also have a very low barrier to deciding who's "wrong", and don't stop to learn the full details and think over them before starting their harassment. Your post caused "confusion" among some people who are, let's just say, easy to confuse. Even if you did post the bot, spamming your site with hate is still completely unwarranted. Releasing the bot was a bad (reckless) decision, but very low on the list of what I'd consider bad decisions; I'd say ideally, the perpetrator feels bad about it for a day, publicly apologizes, then moves on. But more importantly (moral satisfaction < practical implications), the extra private harassment accomplishes nothing except makes the internet (which is blending into society) more unwelcoming and toxic, because anyone who can feel guilt is already affected or deterred by the public reaction. Meanwhile there are people who actively seek out hate, and are encouraged by seeing others go through more and more effort to hurt them, because they recognize that as those others being offended. These trolls and the easily-offended crusaders described above feed on each other and drive everyone else away, hence they tend to dominate most internet communities, and you may recognize this pattern in politics. But I digress... In fact, your site reminds me of the old internet, which has been eroded by this terrible new internet but fortunately (because of sites like yours) is far from dead. It sounds cliche but to be blunt: you're exactly the type of person who I wish were more common, who makes the internet happy and fun, and the people harassing you are why the internet is sad and boring.

dang 7mo ago

After skimming this subthread, I'm going to put this drama down to a compounding sequence of honest mistakes/misunderstandings. Based on that I think it's fair to redact the name and link from the parent comment. (p.s. I'm a mod here in case anyone didn't know.)

bergutman 7mo ago
Thanks.