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To be fair, a lot of doctors were sounding the alarm in 2021 that forcing the Covid shot was going to cause blow back. They said word for word, that we might s
by dham 7mo ago
To be fair, a lot of doctors were sounding the alarm in 2021 that forcing the Covid shot was going to cause blow back. They said word for word, that we might see the rise of measles and other similar diseases. It's actually very well documented on zdoggmd youtube channel (podcast) during this time. But there were tons of doctors saying the same thing.
- jleyank 7mo agoBecause the docs knew that far too many people would rather face risk to avoid doing what they’re told to do. And far too many people just don’t give a shit about other people. The npc’s aren’t real or pertinent.
- _m_p 7mo agoHow did taking it benefit other people?
- t-writescode 7mo agoThe best way to keep immunocompromised and people who literally can’t take vaccines safe is by having so much herd immunity that the likelihood they a virulent load of a virus cannot get to those people. A great way to get herd immunity is through mass vaccination.
- alex43578 7mo agoExcept herd immunity for COVID isn’t feasible or even possible. It mutates too much, the vaccines don’t confer effective enough immunity, etc. It’s unfortunate, but it’s the reality of this disease. I’m not immunocompromised, but I still modify my behavior to try and protect myself: mask on planes, avoid certain situations, etc.
- Itoldmyselfso 7mo agoIt's easy to say this in hindsight
- smt88 7mo ago- Reduced demand on emergency rooms and other limited medical resources - Decreased insurance claims, which are paid for by other patients in the form of premium increases - Prevented burdens on taxpayers from illness or premature deaths of workers (welfare payments, orphanned children, lawsuits, etc.) No one in a developed, Western society is an island. They borrow from society in childhood and pay society back as an adult. And they use common resources like drugs, hospitals, and (in the case of insurance) risk.
- ziml77 7mo ago> No one in a developed, Western society is an island And you know the anti-vaxxers know this because they also intersect heavily with the set who get very mad/judgemental about unemployed people or about people who don't eat well and exercise.
- alex43578 7mo agoIf we made everyone over 300lbs lose 100lbs, we’d also see those benefits. Same if we limited the amount of cigarettes or alcohol people purchased. Certainly the same if we enforced our drug laws around things like fentanyl (although ODing in a Waffle House parking lot at 32 might actually save the taxpayer some money in the long run).
- nolok 7mo agoYour point being ? That we should not do anything unless we do everything with no exception (that's an absurd way to view things and not a counter argument whatsoever), or that those things should be done (which is probably true but doesn't change his point at all) ?
- alex43578 7mo agoI'm agreeing that the current implementation of our public health system is a worst-of-all-worlds option. Weigh 500lbs, don't work, and drink a six pack a day? You get free healthcare via Medicaid, making the taxpayer shoulder your burden. Self-employed, 35, and can run a 7 minute mile, but broke a bone? Expect outrageous healthcare costs, deductibles, etc. The current approach to public health is the epitome of a moral hazard.
- Ar-Curunir 7mo agoAnd the alternative was… what? Continue having people die because of Covid
- nolok 7mo agoIt's my experience that a major part of the "anti covid vax and measures" point of view depends on refusing to understand that people who get grave form of covid but don't die from it still saturated hospital causing side deaths from other causes.
- mindslight 7mo agoWhile it's understandable that intelligent people eventually come to the conclusion of figuring out how they can change themselves, we need to stop absolving the destructionists of responsibility. The political machine that made a public health emergency into a political issue did much more damage to our country than the vaccines being practically, but temporarily, mandatory.
- dham 7mo agoIt's not temporary though. The Covid vaccine push has caused an entire generation to now doubt simple life-saving vaccines. They erased a century of goodwill.
- fyrn_ 7mo agoA century of goodwill? It's not like US vacvine skeptics are a new thing. Ol' ben franklin was a vaccine skeptic until his son died to smallpox. The new thing is the right has recently embraced antivaxxers as part of the coaltion. Giving it a mainstream platform for a few political points was a deal with the devil, and they deserve to be condemed for that.
- t-writescode 7mo agoIt really didn’t. It caused a subset of people already predisposed to such things to become harder stance on it and it expanded that insanity by making it a political talking point; but it is *not* a whole generation, it’s likely 30% of one country; and, over time, hopefully less.
- add-sub-mul-div 7mo agoThe only thing most people know or remember about the covid vaccines are that they're the reason the lockdowns ended and things got back to normal. The only people still mad about it are the types who were easily manipulated to be mad about it from the start.
- expedition32 7mo agoActually there has been an unholy alliance between Christ clowns and new age hippies against modern medicine looooong before COVID.
- cosmicgadget 7mo agoYeah but they used to live on the fringes of social media. Now they run the executive.
- account42 7mo agoCould have something to do with vaccines going from recommended by doctors after decades of trials to entirely new vaccine methods being YOLO'd onto everyone via government policies.
- cosmicgadget 7mo agoThis was evident in the dialogue from the antivaxers who had done their research on mRNA changing your genome and being activated by 5G radiation. The good news is if you didn't trust the accelerated process you could choose masking/testing for moments away from YouTube and Joe Rogan.
- Schmerika 7mo ago> This was evident in the dialogue from the antivaxers who had done their research on mRNA changing your genome and being activated by 5G radiation. Well, no, it was evident in the fact that mRNA vaccine manufacturers would only sign contracts with countries that agreed to give them blanket immunity from any and all possible legal consequences. Bit of a red flag, that.
- cosmicgadget 7mo agoIt really isn't, even considered in an absolute vacuum.
- constantius 7mo agoCan people stop flagging dham's comment when they simply disagree? FWIW, I think what you're saying here and in another comment, about this burning a century of good will, is true. People turn it into a liberal vs right partisan issue, but that's a convenient simplification. The people protesting the lockdowns, mandatory vaccination, ID checks everywhere were not politically homogenous: if you looked at who was vocal about it, there were people on the right, but the other half were wokes, hippies, liberals, leftists, socialists, antifascists. What burned goodwill is the authoritarian measures, the weak arguments, the demonisation of those against it for political gain and status (Trudeau and Biden would routinely accuse those opposed to mandatory vaccination and lockdowns of various -isms in public speeches). The pandemic was indeed a major public health issue, but the way this was managed made it about a fight against the erosion of rights and societal polarisation.
- derbOac 7mo agoYeah I saw this blowback coming, but two wrongs (to the extent you see the first as a wrong) don't make a right. There's no reason to be hindering availability of safe and effective vaccines because a previous administration made it mandatory for some people to get some vaccines.
- TheCoelacanth 7mo agoIn what sense was anyone in the US forced to get a Covid shot? I know many acquaintances who never did.