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This feels like piracy to me and an unintended usecase of archives.

by rat9988 7mo ago

senko 7mo ago
HN is only against piracy when AI labs do it.
- t-3 7mo ago
  When giant IP corporations violate IP, that's very different from Joe Rando watching a movie for free. It's way worse, on multiple levels, for rule-makers to break rules than for ordinary people to.
  - senko 7mo ago
    > It's way worse, on multiple levels, for rule-makers to break rules than for ordinary people to. The purpose of the system is what it does. Yet the system routinely persecutes ordinary people for this criminal offense while giant IP corporations just treat it as an opening move in corporate deal-making.
Handprint4469 7mo ago
> Are paywalls ok? [0] >> It's ok to post stories from sites with paywalls that have workarounds. >> In comments, it's ok to ask how to read an article and to help other users do so. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#:~:text=Are%20paywalls%20ok https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#:~:text=Are%20payw...
llm_nerd 7mo ago
This isn't archive.org. Archive.is (and its many TLD equivalents) is explicitly for bypassing paywalls like this, and this is absolutely the intended use. 9 times out of ten it's because sites use cloaking and serve up all of the contents to search bots, but then paywall out end users, so it's kind of a hoisted by their own petard kind of situation. And, I mean, people can choose to not follow those links. To the rest of us they're often very welcome, and we aren't subscribing to every random site for the once in a millennia worthwhile article.
- nullc 7mo ago
  > is explicitly for bypassing paywalls like this The site existed for most of a decade before it had any particular paywall bypassing. It's an ondemand archival site that saves the DOM in such a way that redisplay is faithful, unlike archive.org. It's a key resource in court cases for purely archival purposes and the fact that it bypasses paywalls is essential for its archival purpose to function.
  - llm_nerd 7mo ago
    Yeah, sure (sarcastic). And people mostly use torrents to share Linux distros. The site/org has no office and is anonymously run virtually. Exists on random, essentially free for all TLDs, does not honour take-down requests, does not respect robots.txt, masquerades as the Googlebot... ...yeah, I happen to have not been born yesterday so I'm not going to play along with a fiction.
    - razingeden 7mo ago
      That’s nice. I’m still not giving the NYT my email or a dime.
    - ImPostingOnHN 7mo ago
      Nothing you said contradicts the post you responded to, so there's no need to be rude (e.g. sarcasm) or adversarial here. You are both correct.
      - llm_nerd 7mo ago
        Nothing I said was rude or adversarial, so not sure why you decided to be rude and adversarial here. My sarcasm was to the purported original goal, when it has always, since day one, been a fake Googlebot known, again since day 1, as a circumvention of paywalls for sites that cloak.
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chwtutha 7mo ago
I’ll admit I’ve felt a bit weird about posting archive links myself, but not weird enough to subscribe to The New Yorker instead
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falcor84 7mo ago
What do you mean? I was always under the impression that archives are for accessing a copy when the original is hard to access - this seems like the perfect use case.
- PeterHolzwarth 7mo ago
  Bypassing a paywall does sound a bit like piracy, if you think about it. This is what the commenter is referring to (tho in this case, I don't see a paywall on the article this end.)
barnabee 7mo ago
Piracy is ok
piperswe 7mo ago
IMO it’s definitely piracy, but piracy is morally neutral
46493168 7mo ago
Advertisements and web tracking feel like stalking. I’ll pay for content when the content providers respect my attention and privacy and not until then.

This feels like piracy to me and an unintended usecase of archives.

by rat9988 7mo ago

This feels like piracy to me and an unintended usecase of archives.

senko 7mo ago

HN is only against piracy when AI labs do it.

t-3 7mo ago
When giant IP corporations violate IP, that's very different from Joe Rando watching a movie for free. It's way worse, on multiple levels, for rule-makers to break rules than for ordinary people to.
- senko 7mo ago
  > It's way worse, on multiple levels, for rule-makers to break rules than for ordinary people to. The purpose of the system is what it does. Yet the system routinely persecutes ordinary people for this criminal offense while giant IP corporations just treat it as an opening move in corporate deal-making.

Handprint4469 7mo ago

> Are paywalls ok? [0] >> It's ok to post stories from sites with paywalls that have workarounds. >> In comments, it's ok to ask how to read an article and to help other users do so. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#:~:text=Are%20paywalls%20ok https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#:~:text=Are%20payw...

llm_nerd 7mo ago

This isn't archive.org. Archive.is (and its many TLD equivalents) is explicitly for bypassing paywalls like this, and this is absolutely the intended use. 9 times out of ten it's because sites use cloaking and serve up all of the contents to search bots, but then paywall out end users, so it's kind of a hoisted by their own petard kind of situation. And, I mean, people can choose to not follow those links. To the rest of us they're often very welcome, and we aren't subscribing to every random site for the once in a millennia worthwhile article.

nullc 7mo ago
> is explicitly for bypassing paywalls like this The site existed for most of a decade before it had any particular paywall bypassing. It's an ondemand archival site that saves the DOM in such a way that redisplay is faithful, unlike archive.org. It's a key resource in court cases for purely archival purposes and the fact that it bypasses paywalls is essential for its archival purpose to function.
- llm_nerd 7mo ago
  Yeah, sure (sarcastic). And people mostly use torrents to share Linux distros. The site/org has no office and is anonymously run virtually. Exists on random, essentially free for all TLDs, does not honour take-down requests, does not respect robots.txt, masquerades as the Googlebot... ...yeah, I happen to have not been born yesterday so I'm not going to play along with a fiction.
  - razingeden 7mo ago
    That’s nice. I’m still not giving the NYT my email or a dime.
  - ImPostingOnHN 7mo ago
    Nothing you said contradicts the post you responded to, so there's no need to be rude (e.g. sarcasm) or adversarial here. You are both correct.
    - llm_nerd 7mo ago
      Nothing I said was rude or adversarial, so not sure why you decided to be rude and adversarial here. My sarcasm was to the purported original goal, when it has always, since day one, been a fake Googlebot known, again since day 1, as a circumvention of paywalls for sites that cloak.
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chwtutha 7mo ago

I’ll admit I’ve felt a bit weird about posting archive links myself, but not weird enough to subscribe to The New Yorker instead

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falcor84 7mo ago

What do you mean? I was always under the impression that archives are for accessing a copy when the original is hard to access - this seems like the perfect use case.

PeterHolzwarth 7mo ago
Bypassing a paywall does sound a bit like piracy, if you think about it. This is what the commenter is referring to (tho in this case, I don't see a paywall on the article this end.)

barnabee 7mo ago

Piracy is ok

piperswe 7mo ago

IMO it’s definitely piracy, but piracy is morally neutral

46493168 7mo ago

Advertisements and web tracking feel like stalking. I’ll pay for content when the content providers respect my attention and privacy and not until then.