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Looks like Americans are adopting Chinese censorship methods. You won't see it thus it never happened.

by MaxPock 7mo ago

padjo 7mo ago
This website is one of the biggest culprits
- blurbleblurble 7mo ago
  No kidding
- whilenot-dev 7mo ago
  Care to elaborate? I have showdead set to yes, and while so some articles get a gray color and an occasional [flagged] tag, everything is still searchable[0]. The only form of censorship is the ordering in the news list, but I could pick any other list[1] if I wanted to. [0]: https://hn.algolia.com/ https://hn.algolia.com/ [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/lists https://news.ycombinator.com/lists
  - padjo 7mo ago
    This thread will immediately disappear off the front page once some Americans wake up.
    - whilenot-dev 7mo ago
      FYI [flagged] articles are still present on the front[0] list. I'd suggest you check out the active[1] or the newest[2] list instead. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/front https://news.ycombinator.com/front [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/active https://news.ycombinator.com/active [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/newest https://news.ycombinator.com/newest
      - johnnyanmac 7mo ago
        And how many people do you think use these 3 lnks compared to the base URL? That's the clever little ways to censor. You don't need everyone to be unaware, just as many as possible. That's why I tend to search top in the last day and week. Specifically to catch flagged articles like this, since at least the votes don't get undone.
        whilenot-dev 7mo ago
        Please, the topic in question is whether HN "is one of the biggest culprits" in "adopting Chinese censorship methods". Granted, I'm far from being knowledgeable in Chinese censorship methods, but I doubt they can be circumvented by just using different URIs.
        johnnyanmac 7mo ago
        I don't agree with that because HN is a relatively small site. But the methods used here aren't dissimilar to what is happening in this story nor in China. Burying stories is a big part of censorship while minimizing dissent.
  - atoav 7mo ago
    There we go, it is flagged.
    - beardyw 7mo ago
      People flag stuff. I don't think it results in removal automatically though it probably downgrades it as a story. Some may regard this as off topic, but censorship seems to be a recurring subject and regularly discussed.
      - watwut 7mo ago
        Yes. When it is complaint about some leftist student protesting and thus interfering with far right speaker free speech rigth to never be opposed, regualarly discussed. Rarely flagged. But, when there is something making current admin or far right lool bad, flagged quickly
        beardyw 7mo ago
        Not sure if HN monitors brigading.
    - whilenot-dev 7mo ago
      ...so what? "Most stories about politics" are considered Off-Topic, as per the guidelines[0], and some members favor the flag- over the hide-button more than I'd like. It's still on place 19 on the active list[1], and a far cry from any practiced censorship like on Reddit, where stuff just gets [deleted] out of existence. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/active https://news.ycombinator.com/active
pstuart 7mo ago
And Stalinist tactics in removing and erasing memorials and documents that contains subjects they don't like, e.g., * https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/attacks-history-timeline-trump-administration/ * https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-admin-removes-memorial-honoring-people-enslaved-george/story?id=129472615 * https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-trump-administration-is-erasing-american-history-told-by-public-lands-and-waters/ And so on...
whateveracct 7mo ago
trumpism
huijzer 7mo ago
So North Korea, China, America, Russia and basically all other countries have propaganda, and Europe doesn’t? I live in Europe and think we do. Not everything that is in the news is true.
- smcl 7mo ago
  Europe doesn’t bill itself as “the land of the free” and doesn’t proudly tout itself as having free speech above all else no matter the cost. So famously fascist symbols - like the swastika/hakenkreuz among other things - are banned a few places, it may be controversial but it’s not a dirty little secret or anything like that
  - huijzer 7mo ago
    Updated comment to make argument clearer
    - smcl 7mo ago
      Your argument is no clearer. Someone's claiming US is beginning to resemble China in that they hide criticism of the ruling parties - they have not mentioned Europe once and you're saying ... something about censorship in Europe? This reminds me of my Dutch friend who is prone to exaggeration to make things sound dramatic and scary to outsiders, and frequently claims the Netherlands is a "narco state" - big "Nederlandse hiphop: Ik kom van de straat" energy going on here.
      - huijzer 7mo ago
        > This reminds me of my Dutch friend who is prone to exaggeration to make things sound dramatic and scary to outsiders, and frequently claims the Netherlands is a "narco state" - big "Nederlandse hiphop: Ik kom van de straat" energy going on here. Well I think there is definitely WAY too much drugs here. Definitely not as bad as California, but I've lived in Eindhoven for a while and people could just put their car window open a bit and text a certain number and get it delivered to their car! Also I've met plenty of students who took XTC during parties and thought it was all fine. When I said something about it they called me a "moral knight". Guess I'm old fashion.

Looks like Americans are adopting Chinese censorship methods. You won't see it thus it never happened.

by MaxPock 7mo ago

Looks like Americans are adopting Chinese censorship methods. You won't see it thus it never happened.

padjo 7mo ago

This website is one of the biggest culprits

blurbleblurble 7mo ago
No kidding
whilenot-dev 7mo ago
Care to elaborate? I have showdead set to yes, and while so some articles get a gray color and an occasional [flagged] tag, everything is still searchable[0]. The only form of censorship is the ordering in the news list, but I could pick any other list[1] if I wanted to. [0]: https://hn.algolia.com/ https://hn.algolia.com/ [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/lists https://news.ycombinator.com/lists
- padjo 7mo ago
  This thread will immediately disappear off the front page once some Americans wake up.
  - whilenot-dev 7mo ago
    FYI [flagged] articles are still present on the front[0] list. I'd suggest you check out the active[1] or the newest[2] list instead. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/front https://news.ycombinator.com/front [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/active https://news.ycombinator.com/active [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/newest https://news.ycombinator.com/newest
    - johnnyanmac 7mo ago
      And how many people do you think use these 3 lnks compared to the base URL? That's the clever little ways to censor. You don't need everyone to be unaware, just as many as possible. That's why I tend to search top in the last day and week. Specifically to catch flagged articles like this, since at least the votes don't get undone.
      - whilenot-dev 7mo ago
        Please, the topic in question is whether HN "is one of the biggest culprits" in "adopting Chinese censorship methods". Granted, I'm far from being knowledgeable in Chinese censorship methods, but I doubt they can be circumvented by just using different URIs.
        johnnyanmac 7mo ago
        I don't agree with that because HN is a relatively small site. But the methods used here aren't dissimilar to what is happening in this story nor in China. Burying stories is a big part of censorship while minimizing dissent.
- atoav 7mo ago
  There we go, it is flagged.
  - beardyw 7mo ago
    People flag stuff. I don't think it results in removal automatically though it probably downgrades it as a story. Some may regard this as off topic, but censorship seems to be a recurring subject and regularly discussed.
    - watwut 7mo ago
      Yes. When it is complaint about some leftist student protesting and thus interfering with far right speaker free speech rigth to never be opposed, regualarly discussed. Rarely flagged. But, when there is something making current admin or far right lool bad, flagged quickly
      - beardyw 7mo ago
        Not sure if HN monitors brigading.
  - whilenot-dev 7mo ago
    ...so what? "Most stories about politics" are considered Off-Topic, as per the guidelines[0], and some members favor the flag- over the hide-button more than I'd like. It's still on place 19 on the active list[1], and a far cry from any practiced censorship like on Reddit, where stuff just gets [deleted] out of existence. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/active https://news.ycombinator.com/active

pstuart 7mo ago

And Stalinist tactics in removing and erasing memorials and documents that contains subjects they don't like, e.g., * https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/attacks-history-timeline-trump-administration/ * https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-admin-removes-memorial-honoring-people-enslaved-george/story?id=129472615 * https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-trump-administration-is-erasing-american-history-told-by-public-lands-and-waters/ And so on...

whateveracct 7mo ago

trumpism

huijzer 7mo ago

So North Korea, China, America, Russia and basically all other countries have propaganda, and Europe doesn’t? I live in Europe and think we do. Not everything that is in the news is true.

smcl 7mo ago
Europe doesn’t bill itself as “the land of the free” and doesn’t proudly tout itself as having free speech above all else no matter the cost. So famously fascist symbols - like the swastika/hakenkreuz among other things - are banned a few places, it may be controversial but it’s not a dirty little secret or anything like that
- huijzer 7mo ago
  Updated comment to make argument clearer
  - smcl 7mo ago
    Your argument is no clearer. Someone's claiming US is beginning to resemble China in that they hide criticism of the ruling parties - they have not mentioned Europe once and you're saying ... something about censorship in Europe? This reminds me of my Dutch friend who is prone to exaggeration to make things sound dramatic and scary to outsiders, and frequently claims the Netherlands is a "narco state" - big "Nederlandse hiphop: Ik kom van de straat" energy going on here.
    - huijzer 7mo ago
      > This reminds me of my Dutch friend who is prone to exaggeration to make things sound dramatic and scary to outsiders, and frequently claims the Netherlands is a "narco state" - big "Nederlandse hiphop: Ik kom van de straat" energy going on here. Well I think there is definitely WAY too much drugs here. Definitely not as bad as California, but I've lived in Eindhoven for a while and people could just put their car window open a bit and text a certain number and get it delivered to their car! Also I've met plenty of students who took XTC during parties and thought it was all fine. When I said something about it they called me a "moral knight". Guess I'm old fashion.