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It's known that Anthropic's $20 Pro subscription is a gateway plan to their $100 Max subscription, since you'll easily burn your token rate on a single prompt o

by mcast 7mo ago

It's known that Anthropic's $20 Pro subscription is a gateway plan to their $100 Max subscription, since you'll easily burn your token rate on a single prompt or two. Meanwhile, I've had ample usage testing out Codex on the basic $20 ChatGPT Plus plan without a problem. As for Anthropic's $100 Max subscription, it's almost always better to start new sessions for tasks since a long conversation will burn your 5-hour usage limit with just a few prompts (assuming they read many files). It's also best to start planning first with Claude, providing line numbers and exact file paths prior, and drilling down the requirements before you start any implementation.

deaux 7mo ago
> It's known that Anthropic's $20 Pro subscription is a gateway plan to their $100 Max subscription, since you'll easily burn your token rate on a single prompt or two. I genuinely have no idea what people mean when I read this kind of thing. Are you abusing the word "prompt" to mean "conversation"? Or are you providing a huge prompt that is meant to spawn 10 subagents and write multiple new full-stack features in one go? For most users, the $20 Pro subscription, when used with Opus, does not hit the 5-hour limit on "a single prompt or two", i.e. 1-2 user messages.
- pastel8739 7mo ago
  Today I literally gave Claude a single prompt, asking it to make a plan to implement a relatively simple feature that spanned a couple different codebases. It churned for a long time, I asked a couple very simple follow up questions, and then I was out of tokens. I do not consider myself to be any kind of power user at all.
  - deaux 7mo ago
    The only time I've ever seen this happen is when you give it a massive codebase, without any meaningful CLAUDE.md to help make sense of it and no explicitly @ mentioning of files/folders to guide, and then ask it for something with huge cross-cutting. > spanned a couple different codebases There you go. If you're looking to prevent this issue I really recommend you set up a number of AGENTS.md files, at least top-level and potentially nested ones for huge, sprawling subfolders. As well as @ mentioning the most relevant 2-3 things, even if it's folder level rather than file. Not just for Claude, it greatly increases speed and reduces context rot for any model if they have to search less and more quickly understand where things live and how they work together.
    - visarga 7mo ago
      I have a tool that scans all code files in a repo and prints the symbols (AST based), it makes orienting around easy, it can be scoped to a file or folder.
  - fragmede 7mo ago
    > spanned a couple different codebases It's either that, or you have a lot of skills loaded or something. I use Claude for hours a day and usually don't run out of tokens.
- mcast 7mo ago
  I should note this only happens in Claude Code, not the web UI. Since CC is agentic and spawns subagents on prompts that require a lot of thinking. It will spend a lot of time grokking the codebase, which would consume more tokens on larger projects.
runako 7mo ago
> you'll easily burn your token rate on a single prompt or two My experience has been that I can usually work for a few hours before hitting a rate limit on the $20 subscription. My work time does not frequently overlap with core business hours in PDT, however. I wonder whether there is an aspect of this that is based on real-time dynamic usage.
Foobar8568 7mo ago
I am on $100 max subscription, and I rarely hit the limit, I used to but not anymore, but then again, I stopped building two products at the same time and concentrate to finish up the first/"easiest" one.
- 8cvor6j844qw_d6 7mo ago
  I'm considering dropping the Max plan for the API. Using the Max plan with tools like OpenClaw violates Anthropic's ToS [1]. The API gives you the same flexibility without the risk of getting your account suspended. [1] https://www.anthropic.com/legal/consumer-terms https://www.anthropic.com/legal/consumer-terms (Section 3-7)
  - ipaddr 7mo ago
    At ten times the price. At least you keep the ability for them to charge you a hundred a month.
cantalopes 7mo ago
i never had these issues with gemini cli using google vertex endpoint, and i never even reached $50 per month i don't want to think about how to hack a tool i'm paying for not locking me out because "i promped wrong"

by mcast 7mo ago

deaux 7mo ago

> It's known that Anthropic's $20 Pro subscription is a gateway plan to their $100 Max subscription, since you'll easily burn your token rate on a single prompt or two. I genuinely have no idea what people mean when I read this kind of thing. Are you abusing the word "prompt" to mean "conversation"? Or are you providing a huge prompt that is meant to spawn 10 subagents and write multiple new full-stack features in one go? For most users, the $20 Pro subscription, when used with Opus, does not hit the 5-hour limit on "a single prompt or two", i.e. 1-2 user messages.

pastel8739 7mo ago
Today I literally gave Claude a single prompt, asking it to make a plan to implement a relatively simple feature that spanned a couple different codebases. It churned for a long time, I asked a couple very simple follow up questions, and then I was out of tokens. I do not consider myself to be any kind of power user at all.
- deaux 7mo ago
  The only time I've ever seen this happen is when you give it a massive codebase, without any meaningful CLAUDE.md to help make sense of it and no explicitly @ mentioning of files/folders to guide, and then ask it for something with huge cross-cutting. > spanned a couple different codebases There you go. If you're looking to prevent this issue I really recommend you set up a number of AGENTS.md files, at least top-level and potentially nested ones for huge, sprawling subfolders. As well as @ mentioning the most relevant 2-3 things, even if it's folder level rather than file. Not just for Claude, it greatly increases speed and reduces context rot for any model if they have to search less and more quickly understand where things live and how they work together.
  - visarga 7mo ago
    I have a tool that scans all code files in a repo and prints the symbols (AST based), it makes orienting around easy, it can be scoped to a file or folder.
- fragmede 7mo ago
  > spanned a couple different codebases It's either that, or you have a lot of skills loaded or something. I use Claude for hours a day and usually don't run out of tokens.
mcast 7mo ago
I should note this only happens in Claude Code, not the web UI. Since CC is agentic and spawns subagents on prompts that require a lot of thinking. It will spend a lot of time grokking the codebase, which would consume more tokens on larger projects.

runako 7mo ago

> you'll easily burn your token rate on a single prompt or two My experience has been that I can usually work for a few hours before hitting a rate limit on the $20 subscription. My work time does not frequently overlap with core business hours in PDT, however. I wonder whether there is an aspect of this that is based on real-time dynamic usage.

Foobar8568 7mo ago

I am on $100 max subscription, and I rarely hit the limit, I used to but not anymore, but then again, I stopped building two products at the same time and concentrate to finish up the first/"easiest" one.

8cvor6j844qw_d6 7mo ago
I'm considering dropping the Max plan for the API. Using the Max plan with tools like OpenClaw violates Anthropic's ToS [1]. The API gives you the same flexibility without the risk of getting your account suspended. [1] https://www.anthropic.com/legal/consumer-terms https://www.anthropic.com/legal/consumer-terms (Section 3-7)
- ipaddr 7mo ago
  At ten times the price. At least you keep the ability for them to charge you a hundred a month.

cantalopes 7mo ago

i never had these issues with gemini cli using google vertex endpoint, and i never even reached $50 per month i don't want to think about how to hack a tool i'm paying for not locking me out because "i promped wrong"