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It's so pathetic that people actually put up with this. There are so many ways to stop that tracking from working and no, your boss doesn't have the right to tr

It's so pathetic that people actually put up with this. There are so many ways to stop that tracking from working and no, your boss doesn't have the right to track you.

toomuchtodo 8mo ago
Until there is a law, there is nothing to stop them. So you need the law. First person to reach out to would be Ron Wyden, he has been a reliable advocate in this space. https://www.wyden.senate.gov/ https://www.wyden.senate.gov/
- marekful 8mo ago
  Nothing legal prevents them from trying but if you block the tracking then your not in the wrong, and if you prove they tracked you in your lunch break and after work, you might have a good chance at winning in court for invasion of privacy.
  - pixl97 8mo ago
    Most of this will be under 'tracking the corporate asset'. They aren't tracking you as a person, but instead a laptop or phone of which they own or control. That's going to be much harder to defeat in the US.
  - toomuchtodo 8mo ago
    Very true, I support this, but the law is still needed imho unless we're fine normalizing the continuation of corporations tightening the screws on workers to keep their labor costs within their desired tolerances. It's about control, of course, as it always is. Protect the human from bad actors, broadly speaking. I would be chuffed if I see someone present on breaking this at Defcon this year.
    - marekful 8mo ago
      There are some questions, too. Can I track my boss if he can track me? Can I install a key-logger on the CFO's laptop? Why not? They just want to see where I am, and I just want to see what key they hit...
      - toomuchtodo 8mo ago
        You could potentially purchase profiles on them from a data broker, and make them public if not illegal in your jurisdiction.
    - boogrpants 8mo ago
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      - reactordev 8mo ago
        Laws are for them, not for us. It’s to keep us in their pockets. In line. Working. Till we die. Written by the wealthy and powerful to remain wealthy and powerful.
        boogrpants 8mo ago
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  - direwolf20 8mo ago
    Invasion of privacy is legal in the US.
- direwolf20 8mo ago
  Other things can stop things.
  - idle_zealot 8mo ago
    Without some sort of organized intervention this sort of tracking will only get worse. A law is the basic way to enforce collective behavior, but sure, if your government doesn't pass one then you should organize some other way. Probably a union in this case.
    - direwolf20 8mo ago
      You could also spam it full of fake data
dangus 8mo ago
Does UPS have the right to know the location of its drivers? Of course it does. I don’t know that we can draw broad conclusions about worker rights on this issue. My company probably DOES need to know that I’m not taking company information to certain locations like overseas if I work in certain industries like if I am in healthcare covered by HIPAA and I’m handling PHI. Hyperbolic example, but if I’m taking a teams call or reading my email in North Korea, that is a gigantic problem. Right to privacy doesn’t exist inside of employer apps and company devices, and there isn’t a strong argument that it should exist.
- loloquwowndueo 8mo ago
  UPS has a right to know the location of their trucks.
- jen20 8mo ago
  > Right to privacy doesn’t exist inside of employer apps and company devices Indeed, but the right of an employer to have you carry their device outside of their building also doesn't exist.
- ilinx 8mo ago
  I would argue that UPS has the right to know the location of its packages and trucks, but not its drivers. If a driver has to leave for a few hours for a family emergency, UPS no longer has the right to track that driver, as long as they are not using company equipment for travel.
- abdullahkhalids 8mo ago
  Before computers and internet, a manager might have been allowed to take work files home to work on them. Or workers on the road, might have stacks of company files with them in their car. How did companies enforce the worker not taking the files with them on their international trip? Just by punishment when it was discovered after the fact. Things worked fine. It was good enough. There is no need for additional surveillance, just because computers and internet can be used to do it.
- jodrellblank 8mo ago
whynotmaybe 8mo ago
No, he can't track you but yes, he can track his devices. If you install corporate teams on your personal device, you are part of the problem. You must request a device for that and never mix personal and professional stuff.
iberator 8mo ago
Why pathetic? People were breaking the rules, not working, going for walks and making dinners during WORK TIME. Lazy and fraudulent people destroyed WFH. Should be banned forever. 20% people working, 80% slacking
- mystifyingpoi 8mo ago
  > going for walks and making dinners during WORK TIME Yet, when in the office, drinking coffee, watercooler smalltalk and smoking at the entrance is somehow considered work time. Leave us alone. The output is all that matters.

It's so pathetic that people actually put up with this. There are so many ways to stop that tracking from working and no, your boss doesn't have the right to track you.

toomuchtodo 8mo ago

Until there is a law, there is nothing to stop them. So you need the law. First person to reach out to would be Ron Wyden, he has been a reliable advocate in this space. https://www.wyden.senate.gov/ https://www.wyden.senate.gov/

marekful 8mo ago
Nothing legal prevents them from trying but if you block the tracking then your not in the wrong, and if you prove they tracked you in your lunch break and after work, you might have a good chance at winning in court for invasion of privacy.
- pixl97 8mo ago
  Most of this will be under 'tracking the corporate asset'. They aren't tracking you as a person, but instead a laptop or phone of which they own or control. That's going to be much harder to defeat in the US.
- toomuchtodo 8mo ago
  Very true, I support this, but the law is still needed imho unless we're fine normalizing the continuation of corporations tightening the screws on workers to keep their labor costs within their desired tolerances. It's about control, of course, as it always is. Protect the human from bad actors, broadly speaking. I would be chuffed if I see someone present on breaking this at Defcon this year.
  - marekful 8mo ago
    There are some questions, too. Can I track my boss if he can track me? Can I install a key-logger on the CFO's laptop? Why not? They just want to see where I am, and I just want to see what key they hit...
    - toomuchtodo 8mo ago
      You could potentially purchase profiles on them from a data broker, and make them public if not illegal in your jurisdiction.
  - boogrpants 8mo ago
    [flagged]
    - reactordev 8mo ago
      Laws are for them, not for us. It’s to keep us in their pockets. In line. Working. Till we die. Written by the wealthy and powerful to remain wealthy and powerful.
      - boogrpants 8mo ago
        [dead]
    - deleted 8mo ago
      [deleted]
- direwolf20 8mo ago
  Invasion of privacy is legal in the US.
direwolf20 8mo ago
Other things can stop things.
- idle_zealot 8mo ago
  Without some sort of organized intervention this sort of tracking will only get worse. A law is the basic way to enforce collective behavior, but sure, if your government doesn't pass one then you should organize some other way. Probably a union in this case.
  - direwolf20 8mo ago
    You could also spam it full of fake data

dangus 8mo ago

Does UPS have the right to know the location of its drivers? Of course it does. I don’t know that we can draw broad conclusions about worker rights on this issue. My company probably DOES need to know that I’m not taking company information to certain locations like overseas if I work in certain industries like if I am in healthcare covered by HIPAA and I’m handling PHI. Hyperbolic example, but if I’m taking a teams call or reading my email in North Korea, that is a gigantic problem. Right to privacy doesn’t exist inside of employer apps and company devices, and there isn’t a strong argument that it should exist.

loloquwowndueo 8mo ago
UPS has a right to know the location of their trucks.
jen20 8mo ago
> Right to privacy doesn’t exist inside of employer apps and company devices Indeed, but the right of an employer to have you carry their device outside of their building also doesn't exist.
ilinx 8mo ago
I would argue that UPS has the right to know the location of its packages and trucks, but not its drivers. If a driver has to leave for a few hours for a family emergency, UPS no longer has the right to track that driver, as long as they are not using company equipment for travel.
abdullahkhalids 8mo ago
Before computers and internet, a manager might have been allowed to take work files home to work on them. Or workers on the road, might have stacks of company files with them in their car. How did companies enforce the worker not taking the files with them on their international trip? Just by punishment when it was discovered after the fact. Things worked fine. It was good enough. There is no need for additional surveillance, just because computers and internet can be used to do it.
jodrellblank 8mo ago

whynotmaybe 8mo ago

No, he can't track you but yes, he can track his devices. If you install corporate teams on your personal device, you are part of the problem. You must request a device for that and never mix personal and professional stuff.

iberator 8mo ago

Why pathetic? People were breaking the rules, not working, going for walks and making dinners during WORK TIME. Lazy and fraudulent people destroyed WFH. Should be banned forever. 20% people working, 80% slacking

mystifyingpoi 8mo ago
> going for walks and making dinners during WORK TIME Yet, when in the office, drinking coffee, watercooler smalltalk and smoking at the entrance is somehow considered work time. Leave us alone. The output is all that matters.