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This mimics numbers from Denmark, where Model 3 had a failure rate of 20-25% after four years a couple of years ago, and last year the first Model Y's had to go
by adamtulinius 8mo ago
This mimics numbers from Denmark, where Model 3 had a failure rate of 20-25% after four years a couple of years ago, and last year the first Model Y's had to go through their first 4 year inspection and 45% failed. 34% of Model 3's failed last year.
For comparison: Last year VW ID4 had a failure rate of 2%, and the average for _all_ electric cars (no matter age, including Teslas) was 7% failure.
Causes: Breaks, wheels, steering, and a few more critical things along those lines.
Objectively speaking, Tesla cannot manufacture cars that live up to European standards.
Source: https://fdm.dk/nyheder/nyt-om-trafik-og-biler/tesla-skandalen-fortsaetter-naesten-hver-anden-tesla-model-y-dumper-til-syn https://fdm.dk/nyheder/nyt-om-trafik-og-biler/tesla-skandale...
- varjag 8mo agoQuite surprised about ID4 numbers. Ours in the shop a few times per year, and we often crack jokes about it with other owners.
- adamtulinius 8mo agoOh I'm sure there's many faults on the VW (as well as Skoda, Audi and Seat) electric cars, but not in the "failing inspection" category apparently. (I drive a Skoda Enyaq, so no particular shade meant towards the VW-group)
- thyristan 8mo agoThe report from the original article is not a general problem rate but more specific: TÜV does mandatory technical inspections every two years. In those inspections, only safety- and environment-critical problems are checked for, so e.g. brakes, rust on structural parts, high emissions, non-working lights. But there is a whole bunch of stuff that they don't check for, e.g. heating/cooling, GPS not working, doesn't charge/start sometimes, ... So it's quite possible that both are true: Maybe ID4 has lots of non-safety and non-environment problems, so it is in the shop very often, but still rarely fails an official inspection.
- varjag 8mo agoA sample of one but ours did fail the inspection (suspension). It also experienced a complete shutdown of instrument panel on the motorway: not something you reproduce easily in a regular inspection but a pretty damn serious condition. Fail to unfold the mirrors/engage parking assistant or rearview camera happened dozens of times. None of other owners I spoke to were particularly happy with theirs either.
- soco 8mo agoI also experienced a shutdown and restart on an one-week-old Opel (but happened a decade ago). In one second everything was back online and working, but boy the adrenaline kick you get form that...
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- ubermonkey 8mo agoAfter an ongoing ugly experience with a GTI, we'll never buy another VW.
- 4d4m 8mo ago+1, poor design and reparability
- tzs 8mo agoAssuming you are not an outlier, could it be VW has a low TÜV failure rate because they are in the shop often? I have no idea what German auto shops do, but whenever I take my car in to a shop in the US for service (routine or otherwise) they generally include various inspections and adjustments to various things, including things that Google is telling me are part of the TÜV inspection.
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- mc32 8mo agoWhen electric vehicles started to become mass produced one of the selling points was due to fewer mechanical parts, there’d be less wear and fewer parts to fail and replace on electrics; however it seems electrics have introduced other complexities that kind of wash the advantage of fewer parts…
- adamtulinius 8mo agoYou're ignoring the basic fact that Teslas doesn't fail because of the electric drive chain, but because of basic things like wheels, suspension and brakes. Sure, electric cars are heavier, but heavy cars (vans, trucks) have existed for ages.
- retired 8mo agoIn The Netherlands, all ID3 and ID4 cars go through pre-inspection before they go for the annual technical inspection. Hence the low failure rates. Going to the yearly inspection on worn tires and brakes is just owners failure.
- eqvinox 8mo ago> how is that to do with Tesla manufacturing standard? Unless further data/evidence is provided, it is reasonable to assume all car owners treat their cars equally shitty, and as such can be ignored in this equation since it applies equally to all manufacturers.
- adamtulinius 8mo agoExactly. I don't understand the focus on VW here. That wasn't the point of my original post at all. Tesla didn't even recognize the inspection failures in Denmark as real at first, so it's probably fair to assume that they're only now trying to sort out the problems on new cars, and that we'll see many more failing Tesla inspections the coming years, even on cars sold up to this day.
- thyristan 8mo agoWorn brake disks are a manufacturing problem. Nominally my VW needs new brake disks every 100Mm. Practically it needs new ones every 40Mm, because VW makes them from shitty steel that rusts and wears like hell, especially when there is salt on the roads in winter. Some manufacturers use better steel and therefore have a longer disk lifetime.
- heisenbit 8mo agoIt is not wear that causes break systems to fail but lack of use resulting in a fairly recently discovered threat to blank metal: Rust.
- thyristan 8mo agoI do drive to work almost every day, and I don't drive an electric car. So there is sufficient use. And quite a few decades ago, people noticed that when you mix chromium, nickel, vanadium or things like that into your steel, it doesn't rust. Car manufacturers are just very slow in noticing.