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What are you going to do about it? Use Android?

by hiprob 8mo ago

esseph 8mo ago
GrapheneOS
- tasty_freeze 8mo ago
  It is more clunky and less polished than android. On the other hand, it is far more secure. I was a user of android for 15+ years, and I had been using a pixel 4a when the battery issue came up last year. Google handled that so terribly I bought a used pixel 7a and installed Graphene. Installation is quite easy. The lack of native voice-to-text was a pain; I installed a 3rd party utility (FUTO) for that, but unlike the native one where it translates while you talk, FUTO waits for you to finish then translates everything. The messaging app is less integrated too. Android finally fixed things up with Apple such that emoji responses (heart, thumbs up, +1, etc) would appear as an annotation after the text message I sent, but now I'm back to getting "So and so likes your comment <full text of my comment>". Some of the other pain was because I have tried to cut down on other google properties. I use "here we go" for mapping instead of google maps. Due to the scale of things, the real time traffic updates on google maps is far better than on here we go. I use fastmail instead of gmail and I'm 100% happy with that solution.
tcoff91 8mo ago
launch an in-app browser and don't use apple as the payment processor. The Epic v Apple lawsuit verdict makes this allowed now.
- 1v1id 8mo ago
  My understanding was that you could have a button that could take the user outside of the app to pay (i.e. your website). So progress, but not this level of freedom yet.
teejmya 8mo ago
Yeah, lol. Was all Apple since the iBook G4. Bought a Pixel last week. It's nice.
shimman 8mo ago
Me? I'm working to help people get elected to Congress to help regulate this mess.
- pixl97 8mo ago
  At the end of the day Apple is doing their damnedest to force the requirement to support other app stores. They want their cake, and they want to eat it too. Unfortunately they are going to make an epic fuckton of money before they get told to stop.
- nout 8mo ago
  Why would you want to give the government such power? That always amazes me... when there is an issue, people jump on "let's vote for government to regulate this", but then they are surprised when a new government gets to power and uses this new regulation/capability against you.
  - cephi 8mo ago
    I may regret asking but what is your solution, then?
    - weberer 8mo ago
      Use Android
      - johnnyanmac 8mo ago
        That's only a solution until Google does the same. And then we're stuck. What do we do when the two largest phone platforms perform this stuff? Go off the grid instead of talking to our representatives?
        nout 8mo ago
        What about web app? Or desktop?
      - 8mo ago
hermanzegerman 8mo ago
Google is also making Sideloading harder "to protect users"
Imustaskforhelp 8mo ago
Can we please just have cheap/affordable linux phones at this point. I am so close to having raspberry pi phones but even rasp pi 's are getting expensive because of AI dammit
- johnnyanmac 8mo ago
  What's the big barrier stopping Linux from becoming a viable mobile OS? Or at least some completely de-googlefied AOSP?
  - handedness 8mo ago
    GrapheneOS is already a viable de-Googled and significantly hardened and improved fork of AOSP. It runs on Google Pixels at present, with an OEM device planned for release in 2027.
    - Imustaskforhelp 8mo ago
      I guess yeah, Most of my concerns were with Privacy but yea looks like grapheneos is a tradeoff I might have to make some day but honestly its also the fact that I love cli tools and yea I can and I have used termux in the past but I really wish for a more first class for cli tools as well and I don't know but I just really wish to support linux tools. Like I am just not satisfied with the current options we have right now and you can look at fragmede's comment as to why I mean that. I mean I just want a cheap affordable linux phone with just decent specs nothing too fancy. By decent I mean that I used to be on a dumb phone for a year with 32 mb ram iirc so perhaps my specs can be considered to be minimal but I feel like 2-4GB ram might be a good start. (prefer the 4gb option as to favour both me anad the masses) Can framework or some other company go ahead and create a linux phone too please?
      - handedness 8mo ago
        As one who previously had a PinePhone and really tried to make it work, I share the sentiment. One problem is by the time you've modified the Linux kernel enough to suit it, and built the phone UI and broader software ecosystem around it, at some point you're just reinventing AOSP. I'm hoping Debian on Android gets more mature, and works better on GrapheneOS. Your best bet in the near term may be a used a-series Pixel with GOS on it. An old under-spec'd Pixel on sale was my entry point to GOS and contrary to my PinePhone experience, I knew instantly that was going to be the device for me for the coming years, and ended up upgrading a year later to a newer device.
tootie 8mo ago
Use Android or use websites instead of apps. Apple pushes their app ecosystem so hard because it's their walled garden. If you want to support a creator, go their website and click whatever they offer.
- PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
  Walled garden is marketing speak. Its a walled prison
fblp 8mo ago
This is also a political issue. The administration could have ftc investigate this under anti-trust, and the government could also pass tighter laws preventing this. But this current administration is likely too friendly to big corporate interests.
hilti 8mo ago
Half of the apps on the app store can easily be replaced by a PWA that works on iOS and Android.
pjerem 8mo ago
Well. I own an iPhone, a Macbook, Airpods, Apple Watch. I'm in the Apple ecosystem since the last 16 years. Unfortunately, due to their behavior in the latest years, I'm not going to buy anything Apple anymore. Fortunately for me, I prefer Linux to MacOS so I never have been totally tied in the Apple ecosystem and I know how to leave the boat without a lot of hassle. I'm really saddened because they know how to make great products when they want to. It's just infuriating that everything that is shitty in their products is never due to randomness or bugs or whatever, but ALWAYS because they decided to fuck you.

What are you going to do about it? Use Android?

by hiprob 8mo ago

What are you going to do about it? Use Android?

esseph 8mo ago

GrapheneOS

tasty_freeze 8mo ago
It is more clunky and less polished than android. On the other hand, it is far more secure. I was a user of android for 15+ years, and I had been using a pixel 4a when the battery issue came up last year. Google handled that so terribly I bought a used pixel 7a and installed Graphene. Installation is quite easy. The lack of native voice-to-text was a pain; I installed a 3rd party utility (FUTO) for that, but unlike the native one where it translates while you talk, FUTO waits for you to finish then translates everything. The messaging app is less integrated too. Android finally fixed things up with Apple such that emoji responses (heart, thumbs up, +1, etc) would appear as an annotation after the text message I sent, but now I'm back to getting "So and so likes your comment <full text of my comment>". Some of the other pain was because I have tried to cut down on other google properties. I use "here we go" for mapping instead of google maps. Due to the scale of things, the real time traffic updates on google maps is far better than on here we go. I use fastmail instead of gmail and I'm 100% happy with that solution.

tcoff91 8mo ago

launch an in-app browser and don't use apple as the payment processor. The Epic v Apple lawsuit verdict makes this allowed now.

1v1id 8mo ago
My understanding was that you could have a button that could take the user outside of the app to pay (i.e. your website). So progress, but not this level of freedom yet.

teejmya 8mo ago

Yeah, lol. Was all Apple since the iBook G4. Bought a Pixel last week. It's nice.

shimman 8mo ago

Me? I'm working to help people get elected to Congress to help regulate this mess.

pixl97 8mo ago
At the end of the day Apple is doing their damnedest to force the requirement to support other app stores. They want their cake, and they want to eat it too. Unfortunately they are going to make an epic fuckton of money before they get told to stop.
nout 8mo ago
Why would you want to give the government such power? That always amazes me... when there is an issue, people jump on "let's vote for government to regulate this", but then they are surprised when a new government gets to power and uses this new regulation/capability against you.
- cephi 8mo ago
  I may regret asking but what is your solution, then?
  - weberer 8mo ago
    Use Android
    - johnnyanmac 8mo ago
      That's only a solution until Google does the same. And then we're stuck. What do we do when the two largest phone platforms perform this stuff? Go off the grid instead of talking to our representatives?
      - nout 8mo ago
        What about web app? Or desktop?
    - 8mo ago

hermanzegerman 8mo ago

Google is also making Sideloading harder "to protect users"

Imustaskforhelp 8mo ago

Can we please just have cheap/affordable linux phones at this point. I am so close to having raspberry pi phones but even rasp pi 's are getting expensive because of AI dammit

johnnyanmac 8mo ago
What's the big barrier stopping Linux from becoming a viable mobile OS? Or at least some completely de-googlefied AOSP?
- handedness 8mo ago
  GrapheneOS is already a viable de-Googled and significantly hardened and improved fork of AOSP. It runs on Google Pixels at present, with an OEM device planned for release in 2027.
  - Imustaskforhelp 8mo ago
    I guess yeah, Most of my concerns were with Privacy but yea looks like grapheneos is a tradeoff I might have to make some day but honestly its also the fact that I love cli tools and yea I can and I have used termux in the past but I really wish for a more first class for cli tools as well and I don't know but I just really wish to support linux tools. Like I am just not satisfied with the current options we have right now and you can look at fragmede's comment as to why I mean that. I mean I just want a cheap affordable linux phone with just decent specs nothing too fancy. By decent I mean that I used to be on a dumb phone for a year with 32 mb ram iirc so perhaps my specs can be considered to be minimal but I feel like 2-4GB ram might be a good start. (prefer the 4gb option as to favour both me anad the masses) Can framework or some other company go ahead and create a linux phone too please?
    - handedness 8mo ago
      As one who previously had a PinePhone and really tried to make it work, I share the sentiment. One problem is by the time you've modified the Linux kernel enough to suit it, and built the phone UI and broader software ecosystem around it, at some point you're just reinventing AOSP. I'm hoping Debian on Android gets more mature, and works better on GrapheneOS. Your best bet in the near term may be a used a-series Pixel with GOS on it. An old under-spec'd Pixel on sale was my entry point to GOS and contrary to my PinePhone experience, I knew instantly that was going to be the device for me for the coming years, and ended up upgrading a year later to a newer device.

tootie 8mo ago

Use Android or use websites instead of apps. Apple pushes their app ecosystem so hard because it's their walled garden. If you want to support a creator, go their website and click whatever they offer.

PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
Walled garden is marketing speak. Its a walled prison

fblp 8mo ago

This is also a political issue. The administration could have ftc investigate this under anti-trust, and the government could also pass tighter laws preventing this. But this current administration is likely too friendly to big corporate interests.

hilti 8mo ago

Half of the apps on the app store can easily be replaced by a PWA that works on iOS and Android.

pjerem 8mo ago

Well. I own an iPhone, a Macbook, Airpods, Apple Watch. I'm in the Apple ecosystem since the last 16 years. Unfortunately, due to their behavior in the latest years, I'm not going to buy anything Apple anymore. Fortunately for me, I prefer Linux to MacOS so I never have been totally tied in the Apple ecosystem and I know how to leave the boat without a lot of hassle. I'm really saddened because they know how to make great products when they want to. It's just infuriating that everything that is shitty in their products is never due to randomness or bugs or whatever, but ALWAYS because they decided to fuck you.