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I have read the Obama era numbers are inflated because they counted turn aways at the border. It’s also a little interesting that Obama was able to be against

by ardme 8mo ago

I have read the Obama era numbers are inflated because they counted turn aways at the border. It’s also a little interesting that Obama was able to be against illegal immigration without a ton of pushback. Why was that?

exo762 8mo ago
For the same reason Nixon was able to establish OSHA without a ton of pushback.
- deleted 8mo ago
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gedy 8mo ago
Team sports basically. And when you point out double standards, you got slammed as some "both sides" guy from the other team pretending to be a centrist.
- hypeatei 8mo ago
  This is a delusional take. For starters, there was criticism from lefties against Obama. Second, Obama didn't use ICE as a secret police force and send them into his political opponents' cities to punish them for wrongthink. You cannot tell me with a straightface that ICE in their current capacity is "just enforcing immigration laws"
  - gedy 8mo ago
    I think you're assuming way too much about my point and jumping to conclusions, QED
    - hypeatei 8mo ago
      What was your point? You mentioned "double standards" and "team sports" as if the Trump and Obama admins were comparable with their use of ICE. If you wanted to make a more detailed point, then do that but as your comment stands, it is just a useless bothsides-ism.
JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
> interesting that Obama was able to be against illegal immigration without a ton of pushback. Why was that? He got tons of pushback from the left. He was just able to weather his party’s fringe in ways Republicans have not.
throw0101a 8mo ago
> It’s also a little interesting that Obama was able to be against illegal immigration without a ton of pushback. Why was that? Maybe because under Obama agents didn't go around smashing windows: * https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/17/ice-detention-massachusetts-man-video https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/17/ice-detentio... Note: the above person was an asylum seeker, so following the official process (AFAICT). Or under Obama they didn't pull away people who were in line to take the Oath of Allegiance: * https://people.com/immigrants-approved-for-citizenship-pulled-out-by-officials-at-oath-ceremony-11863779 https://people.com/immigrants-approved-for-citizenship-pulle... Or take US citizens out of their homes, in their underwear, in the middle of winter: * https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/a-u-s-citizen-says-ice-forced-open-the-door-to-his-minnesota-home-and-removed-him-in-his-underwear-after-a-warrantless-search https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/a-u-s-citizen-says-ice-f... Perhaps under Obama due process was followed, or not going after / grabbing people randomly based on the color of their skin: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kavanaugh_stop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kavanaugh_stop

by ardme 8mo ago

exo762 8mo ago

For the same reason Nixon was able to establish OSHA without a ton of pushback.

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gedy 8mo ago

Team sports basically. And when you point out double standards, you got slammed as some "both sides" guy from the other team pretending to be a centrist.

hypeatei 8mo ago
This is a delusional take. For starters, there was criticism from lefties against Obama. Second, Obama didn't use ICE as a secret police force and send them into his political opponents' cities to punish them for wrongthink. You cannot tell me with a straightface that ICE in their current capacity is "just enforcing immigration laws"
- gedy 8mo ago
  I think you're assuming way too much about my point and jumping to conclusions, QED
  - hypeatei 8mo ago
    What was your point? You mentioned "double standards" and "team sports" as if the Trump and Obama admins were comparable with their use of ICE. If you wanted to make a more detailed point, then do that but as your comment stands, it is just a useless bothsides-ism.

JumpCrisscross 8mo ago

> interesting that Obama was able to be against illegal immigration without a ton of pushback. Why was that? He got tons of pushback from the left. He was just able to weather his party’s fringe in ways Republicans have not.

throw0101a 8mo ago

> It’s also a little interesting that Obama was able to be against illegal immigration without a ton of pushback. Why was that? Maybe because under Obama agents didn't go around smashing windows: * https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/17/ice-detention-massachusetts-man-video https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/17/ice-detentio... Note: the above person was an asylum seeker, so following the official process (AFAICT). Or under Obama they didn't pull away people who were in line to take the Oath of Allegiance: * https://people.com/immigrants-approved-for-citizenship-pulled-out-by-officials-at-oath-ceremony-11863779 https://people.com/immigrants-approved-for-citizenship-pulle... Or take US citizens out of their homes, in their underwear, in the middle of winter: * https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/a-u-s-citizen-says-ice-forced-open-the-door-to-his-minnesota-home-and-removed-him-in-his-underwear-after-a-warrantless-search https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/a-u-s-citizen-says-ice-f... Perhaps under Obama due process was followed, or not going after / grabbing people randomly based on the color of their skin: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kavanaugh_stop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kavanaugh_stop