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> Is it really worth it? Unequivocally yes. Fraud is fraud, and if your first instinct is to defend it in this manner, check yourself in the mirror.

by wswope 8mo ago

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- wswope 8mo ago
  I’m plenty calm. There’s just nothing to debate here: the blog post and repo are a conscious, deliberate, and egregious misrepresentation of fact. I would absolutely say exactly the same things to the author’s face as I’m saying right now. I would never work for a company that condones this in a million years, as a matter of principle.
  - palata 8mo ago
    And I didn't say that you cannot criticise it (or did you think I was talking to you personally?). I just see a lot of comments from people who just seem happy to see that they can contribute to ruining someone else's day (or more).
    - yjftsjthsd-h 8mo ago
      > or did you think I was talking to you personally? You wrote, > May I kindly ask you to calm the fuck down? So yes, a reasonable person would conclude that you were talking to them. > I just see a lot of comments from people who just seem happy to see that they can contribute to ruining someone else's day (or more). Which comments do you see doing that? Exactly?
      - palata 8mo ago
        > You wrote, And you don't seem to understand how the conversation went. I was obviously talking about my first comment, to which they answered. > Which comments do you see doing that? Exactly? Interestingly, those that made me write my first message were removed. Not that it was because of my message obviously, which mostly got me downvotes :-). But the next best one would be: "public shaming is the next best thing. I sincerely hope links to this incident will haunt him every time someone googles his name forevermore" (after implying that ideally they should lose their job for this)
- parliament32 8mo ago
  In a real "engineering" role, this person would be stripped of their license for stamping "production grade" on a bunch of AI slop. That doesn't exist in our trade, so yeah, public shaming is the next best thing. I sincerely hope links to this incident will haunt him every time someone googles his name forevermore.
  - palata 8mo ago
    As you say, it's pretty hard to say that the average quality of software engineering makes it deserve the word "engineering" at all. Most software is bad accross the board, and developers on average get pretty good salaries for... whatever they bring to the world. Still I don't think that some random employee deserves to be harassed and publicly shamed for a bad blog post.
    - thunderfork 8mo ago
      In other industries this would be a gross ethical issue and potentially a legal one. In this industry, public criticism for public fraudulence is "harassment", I guess? C'mon, man.
      - palata 8mo ago
        > In other industries this would be a gross ethical issue and potentially a legal one Yes, but this is not another industry. Also in other industries, some say that "full self-driving is coming tomorrow" or "we can send millions of people to live on mars". > public criticism for public fraudulence is "harassment", I guess? C'mon, man. I never said "don't criticise". I have seen comments that I found very disrespectful early when this post started growing, and I tried to call for some empathy for the human being who made that mistake.
  - polotics 8mo ago
    There was a piece a little while back, most probably from Cory Doctorow, about how some humans have already become Reverse Centaurs: Controlled by a machine and only there to put their names and reputations on the line when the machine messes up. Maybe this applies more to a writer having to generate 20 articles per hour in some journalism sweatshop, pressured to push out anything that will catch the winds of SEO augmented news, but I would not discount the level of pressure that the author of the blog post was put under to produce something, anything... Based on the published profile, I strongly suspect that this person is not paid that well at all. you are not looking at a FAANG kind of deal here most certainly. So maybe spare one second of thought for that future where many many folks are just there to be burnt up in some cancellation machine whilst profit gets accumulated elsewhere...
- huimang 8mo ago
  This is a bit more than overselling a proof of concept. He made claims that were not correct, and presented some LLM generated code as point of pride. And not on his blog, but a company's website. He's emblematic of the era we now live in. Vibe coded projects that the "developer" didn't learn anything from, posted using LLMs. People have zero shame, zero curiosity, zero desire in learning and understanding what they're working on. Also it doesn't make sense to escalate an interaction by swearing at a person and simultaneously asking them to calm down.
  - palata 8mo ago
    > Also it doesn't make sense to escalate an interaction by swearing at a person and simultaneously asking them to calm down. I found it fun :-). I kindly ask to try to empathise with a random human being who is most certainly not used to be shamed publicly, and they tell me to check myself in the mirror.
zxcvasd 8mo ago
>if your first instinct is to defend it the reminder of "theres a human there" is not "defending" the actions. its a call back to reality, because people on the internet take little things way too fucking seriously all the time. and yes, this is a little thing. extremely tiny. i promise you'll forget about it in a few days whenever the next thing in the outrage cycle bubbles to the top of your feed/HN

> Is it really worth it? Unequivocally yes. Fraud is fraud, and if your first instinct is to defend it in this manner, check yourself in the mirror.

by wswope 8mo ago

> Is it really worth it? Unequivocally yes. Fraud is fraud, and if your first instinct is to defend it in this manner, check yourself in the mirror.

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palata 8mo ago

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wswope 8mo ago
I’m plenty calm. There’s just nothing to debate here: the blog post and repo are a conscious, deliberate, and egregious misrepresentation of fact. I would absolutely say exactly the same things to the author’s face as I’m saying right now. I would never work for a company that condones this in a million years, as a matter of principle.
- palata 8mo ago
  And I didn't say that you cannot criticise it (or did you think I was talking to you personally?). I just see a lot of comments from people who just seem happy to see that they can contribute to ruining someone else's day (or more).
  - yjftsjthsd-h 8mo ago
    > or did you think I was talking to you personally? You wrote, > May I kindly ask you to calm the fuck down? So yes, a reasonable person would conclude that you were talking to them. > I just see a lot of comments from people who just seem happy to see that they can contribute to ruining someone else's day (or more). Which comments do you see doing that? Exactly?
    - palata 8mo ago
      > You wrote, And you don't seem to understand how the conversation went. I was obviously talking about my first comment, to which they answered. > Which comments do you see doing that? Exactly? Interestingly, those that made me write my first message were removed. Not that it was because of my message obviously, which mostly got me downvotes :-). But the next best one would be: "public shaming is the next best thing. I sincerely hope links to this incident will haunt him every time someone googles his name forevermore" (after implying that ideally they should lose their job for this)
parliament32 8mo ago
In a real "engineering" role, this person would be stripped of their license for stamping "production grade" on a bunch of AI slop. That doesn't exist in our trade, so yeah, public shaming is the next best thing. I sincerely hope links to this incident will haunt him every time someone googles his name forevermore.
- palata 8mo ago
  As you say, it's pretty hard to say that the average quality of software engineering makes it deserve the word "engineering" at all. Most software is bad accross the board, and developers on average get pretty good salaries for... whatever they bring to the world. Still I don't think that some random employee deserves to be harassed and publicly shamed for a bad blog post.
  - thunderfork 8mo ago
    In other industries this would be a gross ethical issue and potentially a legal one. In this industry, public criticism for public fraudulence is "harassment", I guess? C'mon, man.
    - palata 8mo ago
      > In other industries this would be a gross ethical issue and potentially a legal one Yes, but this is not another industry. Also in other industries, some say that "full self-driving is coming tomorrow" or "we can send millions of people to live on mars". > public criticism for public fraudulence is "harassment", I guess? C'mon, man. I never said "don't criticise". I have seen comments that I found very disrespectful early when this post started growing, and I tried to call for some empathy for the human being who made that mistake.
- polotics 8mo ago
  There was a piece a little while back, most probably from Cory Doctorow, about how some humans have already become Reverse Centaurs: Controlled by a machine and only there to put their names and reputations on the line when the machine messes up. Maybe this applies more to a writer having to generate 20 articles per hour in some journalism sweatshop, pressured to push out anything that will catch the winds of SEO augmented news, but I would not discount the level of pressure that the author of the blog post was put under to produce something, anything... Based on the published profile, I strongly suspect that this person is not paid that well at all. you are not looking at a FAANG kind of deal here most certainly. So maybe spare one second of thought for that future where many many folks are just there to be burnt up in some cancellation machine whilst profit gets accumulated elsewhere...
huimang 8mo ago
This is a bit more than overselling a proof of concept. He made claims that were not correct, and presented some LLM generated code as point of pride. And not on his blog, but a company's website. He's emblematic of the era we now live in. Vibe coded projects that the "developer" didn't learn anything from, posted using LLMs. People have zero shame, zero curiosity, zero desire in learning and understanding what they're working on. Also it doesn't make sense to escalate an interaction by swearing at a person and simultaneously asking them to calm down.
- palata 8mo ago
  > Also it doesn't make sense to escalate an interaction by swearing at a person and simultaneously asking them to calm down. I found it fun :-). I kindly ask to try to empathise with a random human being who is most certainly not used to be shamed publicly, and they tell me to check myself in the mirror.

zxcvasd 8mo ago

>if your first instinct is to defend it the reminder of "theres a human there" is not "defending" the actions. its a call back to reality, because people on the internet take little things way too fucking seriously all the time. and yes, this is a little thing. extremely tiny. i promise you'll forget about it in a few days whenever the next thing in the outrage cycle bubbles to the top of your feed/HN